Vegas
I hope none of you were in Vegas for that concert. What is wrong with people these days? Just absolutely horrible.
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My brother works vegas nights (luckily Sundays are slow and he wasn't close enough to the festival to be in harm's way). Terrible.
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I had two friends that were at the concert. Luckily both are unharmed.
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I have neighbors that where there. Luckily they are safe. It hits home because they have two small children. What a F@#$ing coward.
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Damn. We're staying at Mandela Bay next month.
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ridiculous. sounded like a full auto weapon.
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Sounds like he converted the weapons to auto. Almost 60 dead now and over 500 injured.
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Does have anyone have any more info on the girl running around telling everyone to get out they're all gonna die 45 min before the shooting started?
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My boss was there. His friend was shot and sustained minor injuries. Crazy!
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Amazing reports from University Medical with Level 1 Trauma
https://www.facebook.com/FOX13TampaB...type=2&theater |
So sad, so predictable. Even sadder, this will change nothing.
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There has been 274 multiple shootings so far this year, major ones like this seem to happen every year or so. What strategy is being used to change the environment where these things keep happening? Nothing. It will continue until something changes in society which stops producing angry unstable people and the ready access to guns.
There is just no will to tackle it, the problem is too deep rooted in society. Mark my words, this will happen again within 12 months or so. |
Don't get me wrong my heart goes out to you guys but it all just seems so pointless
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Talk about having a negative attitude, you can't just give up. There are good people in this world.
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**deeply rooted in humans** Massive twisted sick acts of violence are part of human history. How do we change that is the real question. |
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What was the hardest part? I would say pulling the trigger.. If you can stomach that single moment right there than I'd say the ways and means would be cake no matter what. |
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60 deaths and 500 injuries is not "cake" to pull off if you don't have a fully automatic weapon. And you're exactly right, pulling the trigger was the hardest part, because he just went into a store and bought all the **** he needed to pull it off. Watch a youtbe video on how to convert for full auto and you're good for home grown mass killings. |
Apparently this guy didn't care much for the rule of law.
Thewakeisreal, are you in favor for the war on drugs? |
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1. Start investing more money in mental health services 2. Start teaching life skills/mindfulness in the school system 3. Start taking equality of opportunity seriously 4. Start being nicer to each other. |
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Just like that, it should be harder to go buy guns. You should pass psychological exams every year, you don't need a ****ing military rifle either. I'm not completely anti-gun, there's plenty of fine gun owners, but you guys should want stricter gun control so guys like this don't make you look bad. |
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I firmly believe no form of gun control would ever work. It's the silliest logic ever. Use laws to stop people from breaking laws? All you will ever get from gun control is cooperation from good people and the disarming them as a result, while criminals keep their guns and acquire whatever they want illegally, and you now have criminals more well armed than the good people. The possession of military style rifles is another subject for me and a lot of people don't agree with it. Definitely.... not everyone should have one. But the world is turning into a crazy place so I'll be keeping mine for sure. This guy found a new and more efficient way to mass murder. I worry that he just showed every other psycho out there the best way to kill a lot of people. Literally shooting fish in a barrel with as much time as he needed. Now one could touch him, and no one could shoot back even! I don't know what they can do to prevent stuff like this from happening again, but I'll think twice before being locked in a confined area with thousands of people. I frequent Vegas often and have been to concerts at Mandalay 3 times. This one is scary for me. Bullet proof windows on hotels? |
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...es-study-finds |
The guy had a plane and pilot's license. How many people would have died if he came in full speed Kamikaze?
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You anti gun nuts act like he just went & bought a stock pile the day before. It's been years of buying & probably had no intention of using them in this fashion during those times. It seems rather obvious at this point between what was on his FB page, the pics of him in a pussy hat, who the targets were he had an agenda. One that is egged on by the left out of their blind hatred for the opposition. We've allowed calls to violence for political gain for far too long. Conservatives sitting on facebook with their "we got all the guns, what they gonna do" bull****. The new ANTIFA stuff. We have a people problem, not a gun problem.
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I do know that criminals here aren't going to give up their guns. There are already laws that say they can't have them, and that they can't kill people, so how would a new law requiring them to turn guns in suddenly compel them to comply? There is also no equivalent to the second amendment in Australia, so there's a deep rooted cultural difference. Conservatives keep there guns more for defense against government and war as much as self defense against criminals. |
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Bulletproof windows? I don't see how someone can reasonably say that what we need is more bulletproof windows.
Same goes the the "mental illness" argument. This dude wasn't mentally ill. Mentally ill peeps don't manage to own properties in multiple states, a $50K+ gun collection, a plane, etc (he appears to be "self made," not a John DuPont). No way no how he'd have failed a mental health exam. How long before we just all have bulletproof trenchcoats? Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. If it helps you sleep at night to say that he's ANTIFA (lol) or ISIS or whatever then OK. But someday we'll have to acknowledge that firearms can be dangerous in the hands of humans. If we can outlaw lawn darts, why can't we regulate guns? I know I know, lawn darts aren't "arms" for second amendment purposes. My own personal guess (and it's purely just that), given that he appeared to be shooting from a pretty pimp room (those two smashed windows are way farther apart than I've ever had in any room) and that he's a regular gambler, is that he got in too deep somewhere, and it wouldn't surprise me if it were at the Mandalay. I'm guessing that the room was comped. Zero facts, just speculating. But people do funny things when they think there's no way out. But I'd certainly put a $20 on him having an outstanding marker there. |
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Confirmed; He booked that specific suite, checked in Thur & was "utilizing some of his GF's identifications". Call it what you want, it wasn't a snap because of gambling debts. We may never know the truth, but it is clear this was premeditated & planned.
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You can't regulate guns. And if you somehow managed to take them all away from everyone, crazy's would drive trucks into crowds like they do in the UK. Bombs, Airplanes......whatever. |
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Can you give an example of something we CAN successfully regulate? Drugs? Murder? Rape? Moonshine? Just because criminals continue to break laws isn't really a good argument for anarchy. And regulation doesn't mean taking guns away from everyone. I agree that's an unreasonable goal. bump stocks and trigger cranks seem like pretty low hanging fruit for regulation at the moment tho. |
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I never said it wasn't premeditated. In fact my implication was quite the opposite. You don't get big markers overnight. 30k a day for the last week, OK.. My Q is how up or down is he over the last 12 mos? Casinos can be very accommodating to high rollers. I totally do agree that it was premeditated. |
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The fact that he was allowed to "stock pile" enough guns for a militia is a ****ing problem and shouldn't be allowed. You want a hand gun, go for it. You want a rifle, you get tested every year for psychological issues. What in the **** do you need a high capacity magazine for except murdering people? Seriously. |
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New report is he was checked in under his GF's name & he wired 100k to the Philippines last week. I don't think this had anything to do with gambling debts. |
Yeah like I said pure pure pure speculation on my part (but based on being a life long NV resident who has known more than a few degenerate gamblers).
If I'm right I think we'll know pretty soon. MGM (owner of Mandalay) is public so I don't think they'd just be able to quietly rip up the marker like the old days. |
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And why do I need an AR with a high cap magazine? To protect mine from the criminals that already have them and the violent protestors that may attempt to threaten my family. Mine rides along on every family road trip. Don't like them? Don't get one. In France last August a terrorist drove a truck into a crowd of people and killed 86 people. How can people not understand that the guns don't matter. |
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Just take a look at America vs other countries and the gun violence vs gun ownership. You're really saying there is no correlation between the amount of guns in the country and the amount of gun violence? |
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How often have you heard of a story where a guy with an AR protected his family? I can see a concealed carry helping out, but I just don't hear these heroic stories of people taking down bad guys with AR's. Mainly people have AR's because they're badass and enjoy them. |
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I totally see your point (that terrorism is unpredictable, and that bad folks will improvise). But to carry your argument to its logical conclusion shouldn't you be arguing that we should get rid of CDL licenses so that I can get a semi tractor too because a terrorist might have one? |
As most of know the more guns less crimes. Who is the right wing crackpot that states this?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybe.../#45d387db3f7c |
One question. I have heard the videos of the shooting. It didn't really sound like more guns mattered. He would shoot a bunch, pause and repeat. If he had one rifle or 16 does it matter as long as he had enough ammo to reload?
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But like I said, illustrated by the bickering on this thread alone you can tell nothing will change, these events are going to keep coming, probably at a faster and faster rate. Get used to them or agitate for change, that's your two options as i see it. |
Oh, and yes events like this are loud and noisy and dominate the news for a week or so but in terms of numbers its tiny compared to the number of people killed cumulatively by guns over the year. This event is literally a drop in the bucket. So while you are thinking about bullet proof glass and snipers guns are quietly killing you unimpeded in the back ground.
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I agree with Ralph, I think the people of this country have spoken that this is just part of our culture. Two weeks from now nothing will have changed and this will be swept under the rug. We'll shrug our collective shoulders and reset the "It has been [X] number of days since our last mass shooting" sign.
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As an example, let's compare how you guys do relative to other countries. Check the stats on hand guns. Either you guys just really like killing each other or access to hand guns has some effect on the rate you kill each other/yourselves. You decide, are you terrible people or are you in a terrible enviroment.
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Okay so lets pretend everyone has turned in their guns. Now we only have to deal with the illegal guns that are left over. Then what? The minds & hearts have not been changed. There are still going to be murderous people out there & one happens to run over 100 most of you going to argue "well there's nothing that can be done about that". Again, the gun isn't the problem. Humans are.
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It's absurd to say "well it's just gonna happen anyway." How about if it were to happen once every 25 years instead of once a year? Would that be worth some changes to our approach to guns and/or mental health?
Supposedly the terrorist used this bump fire method. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/U7DTjSla-O8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> |
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Lets start with murder. Are lawful gun owners going around killing people.
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Yes, the gun is just a tool. But as far as tools go is extremely effective and efficent at killing people, if you take the ready access to that tool away the total damage will go down just due to efficiency loss. |
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Also....go look at what the US considers a "Mass shooting". Last time I looked it was anything more than two people. So when it comes to US stats, the term Mass Shooting doesn't always mean a lot. |
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But again, criminals will never give up their guns so there's that over arching fact that defeats an argument for more gun control imo. |
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What this means likely is the shooter did not have "$25,000 hard to get automatic weapon" as the news is reporting. Because if you had a fully auto weapon, you wouldn't waste your time for a bump fire configuration. |
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And your original question made no sense, murders by law abiding citizens are zero because they are law abiding. |
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Just seems odd to me that the common view is laws don't work. Ok, why have laws about anything then?
Also everybody seems to be totally on board that internationally it's fine to outlaw North Korea from having nukes but locally you can't limit guns. It's the same principal, just scaled up. |
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