Hey all, (06/07 Sanger V215 Wake 2 vs Elite C4 Centurion Air Warrior <BR>Need some help choosing my first boat. I have test driven both boats and cannot decide. They are both comprable in price. The primary activity I want to do is wake surf. I am an ocean style surfer and surf most days in Santa Cruz, CA. Can you give me reasons why one is better than the other. Also what will i need in addition to the stock accessories that come with the boat. Please do not get upset I also posted this in Wakesurfing. I just would like some further advice. <BR>Thanks for the help, <BR>Brian

if you primarily want to surf, you will be much better off w/ an avy or enzo a couple years old -- the surf wake is so much better than the air warrior.. i have never been in a sanger so i cannot comment on it... good luck w/ your choice...

Sanger build quality is top notch and will last you, IMO, longer than a Centurion will. The Centurion is all about style, etc... while the Sanger is plane jane and all about being built like a tank. You will have un-equaled support from Sanger in CA too, they are family owned, and always go the extra mile when it comes to customers.

I tend to disagree with Showtime on the wake for surfing, The 215 wake is more than respectable when loaded down. Super height and a great curl. You just cant go wrong with a Sanger bottom line. Centurion head to head does not match up with a Sanger.

I bought a Sanger because of the wake. <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" border=0> IMHO the Sangers are one of the better values out there.

You probably already know this but the boats are built differently <BR>Sanger uses fiberglass encapsulated lifetime warranty wood that is not supposed to rot. <BR> <BR>Centurion <BR>Builds an all fiberglass boat that they call ICS construction. <BR>The boat is built in 3 parts the hull the stringers and the deck, sidewalls, floor these 3 pieces are bonded together then filled with foam <BR> <BR> <BR>IMHO Centurion has the superior surf wake but Either boat is an excellent choice.

I've surfed behind a V215 and the surf wake was very respectable but not the best out there IMO. The best surf wakes that I've rode were The Malibu and Mb B-52 in that order. <BR> <BR>If I was looking for a surf wake I don't think either of these boats would be my first choice but for wakeboarding my pick would be the Sanger hands down.

I know this won't help with your decision but here is a shot I took of a Malibu surf wake. <BR> <BR>The pic really doesn't to it justice but it still looks BIG. <BR> <BR>I might have a 215 surf shot? If I do I'll post a pic for you. <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/380768.jpg" alt="Upload">

Jason had the wake dialed that day! lol when you were in the trough you had to stand up tall to see over it <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/rofl.gif" border=0>

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>while the Sanger is plane jane<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <BR> <BR>I would agree with that statement with the older Sangers like mine (2000) but they are much nicer now as far as the interior.

Walt for refrence what malibu and how was it weighed <BR> <BR>This is a 2005 Cyclone one fat sac on the side of the engine and 4 people <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/380774.jpg" alt="Upload">

Clubmyke's SV-211 has the most impressive surf wake I have ever seen. <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.planetnautique.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&amp;file=viewtopic&amp;t=6 704&amp;postdays=0&amp;postorder=asc&amp;start=15" target="_blank">http://www.planetnautique.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&amp;file=viewtopic&amp;t=6 704&amp;postdays=0&amp;postorder=asc&amp;start=15</a> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/380776.jpg" alt="Upload">

This is an Centurion Enzo wake I snatched off of <BR>inlandsurfer <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/380785.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR> <BR>I have no idea how it was weighted <BR> <BR>You can se a bunch of Centurion wake shots at <BR><a href="http://www.inlandsurfer.com/album.asp?page=1" target="_blank">http://www.inlandsurfer.com/album.asp?page=1</a>

Kevin, <BR> <BR>I believe it's a 05 or 06 VLX. I'm not sure how much weight but I know he had at least one additional sack plus stock ballast. <BR> <BR>Red Sovine, <BR>That wake looks SICK too !

One more Enzo I am sure it has just a little <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/wink.gif" border=0> weight but I have no idea how much <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/380789.jpg" alt="Upload">

DAMN Mike. That surf wake is HUGE! Very nice.

I bought an 06 215 and I love it. 1 bad boat, go with the sanger!

I have a Elite C4 and I have been very pleased with it. It has a great surf wake. 450 in the ski locker and 250 center.As for as quality I have no complaints

<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/380934.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR>This is an Avalance wake. The Elite C-4 will be very close, just a little smaller. The hulls are the same. The Elite C-4 is just a little more narrow. This is not weighted as much when the adults ride. My son is 8 and is right at 5' tall. He was just learning at the first of the summer.