I am doing a toeside backroll but letting go with my following hand so i rotate a backside 180 and land switch without passing the handle. <BR> <BR>Is their a specific name for this trick?

are you holding the handle with both hands behind your back on the approach? Prob called a wrapped roll to blind. melissa marquardt (spelling?) does them with the wrapped handle all the time

Hmm yeah I am not wrapped, the rope is held in both hands on the approach then i let go at take off and land with one on as well. The only reason I don't need to pass the handle is because i duck under my arm and twist it reminds me of a whirly in a way

It sounds like a T/S backroll to blind.

i get what ur sayin now and ive never seen it done before do i dunno...vid would be nice

for sure i will get some film next set for ya

toe roll 2 blind

AKA G-Spot...

like a pete rose but you dont look over youre shoulder at the end?

You letting go with your lead hand or rear hand?

i let go with the rear hand

to clear this up...are you goofy/regular? and are you letting go with your left or right hand?

yo... like I said, this is a toeside backroll to blind. think about it. <BR> <BR>pass the handle and add another 180 and you have yourself a blind pete.

I think its just a TS roll to revert, sorry to burst your bubble here... I mean if you are not Passing, Not taking off wrapped and and landing wrapped (with the rope behind your back) you just doing a TS R2R.

i vote R2R.

toeside roll to revert

Def. A toe backroll 2 revert. Not sure how you would land blind without a handle pass or being wrapped.

that's why I asked about goofy/regular etc... <BR> <BR>trailing hand in to the wake toeside could be the hand FARTHEST from the wake which would still be your FRONT hand... <BR> <BR>Probably a toeside roll to revert as stated above...

it is called "to blind"... think about a bat-to-blind... same concept

no wrapped landing here: <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=</a> <BR> <BR>still called "to blind"

TS R2R is a frontside spin... he is spinning BS.

my bet is still a TS FS R2R. I can not imagine some one doing a TS Role To Blind on accident, I think that he may be thinking he is spinning BS but is actually spinning FS. But again w/o vidoe who knows.

agreed. FS spin would be R2R for sure. BS spin is R2B for sure. <BR> <BR>Zane: W/O video proof we have determined that your trick is... <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>...undeterminable.

i was thinking the same thing...most likely if someone was doing r2b's they would probably have a pretty firm knowledge of the sport and what fs and bs meant as well as blind.

I assumed if he was actually landing a TS roll variation he would be able to distinguish the diff b/t a FS and BS spin.

I think a R2B would be possible without cuffing or passing the handle. He said he had to duck under the rope to avoid passing. Let's say he is regular and coming in TS. If he lets go with his left hand, he would have to ole the handle so to speak over his head and then rotate backside and land switch heel. Am I seeing this right? Sounds like a tough spin, but so is a TS BS 180.

I hear ya Luker. <BR> <BR>I was not trying to be a dick when I said that it just a R2R. But you know on a TS R2R the 180 does seem like its a Blind 180 if you just think about the trick, but as we all know in fact it is a FS 180. I have tried a million TS FR to Blind and they are wicked hard and super unnatural feeling.

To clarify , I start toeside (regular stance) throw the flip over my right shoulder and just today i started holding on with both hands and locking my elbows then rotate the back one landing switch facing the boat on my heel edge

Most people forget to think about a toeside front side spin as such. Because you spin away from the boat like a HS/BS spin a lot of people get confused. I'm saying he's doing a roll to revert, but thinks he's spinning backside. <BR> <BR>I agree... If you're doing a roll to blind, you probably know what you're doing.

your not passing the handle and you're not landing wrapped?

Yeah that's a T/S r2r. You are spinning frontside, not backside.

On second thought, the way you describe flipping over your right shoulder you may be doing a scarecrow.

haha alright its a R2R . I was a little confused sorry for all the poor descriptions and thanks for the help

While your flipping are you rotating with your feet coming up behind you or do your feet come up in front of you? The last description you wrote sounds like they are coming up behind you making the trick a scarecrow

nah the descriptions were a little off i just took another set and it is a toe R2R sorry im dumb <BR> <BR>thanks for the help everyone