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-   -   Off Topic but freaking cool!!! Salt Water Fuel!! (http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/showthread.php?t=499866)

bocephus 09-11-2007 7:09 PM

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6vSxR6UKFM&amp;mode=related&amp;search=" target="_blank">Salt Water Fuel Video!</a>

sinkoumn 09-11-2007 7:17 PM

Ahah, where were you ten years ago. <BR> <BR>On another note, all of those people will likely 'mysteriously' die from a heart attack or go missing.

sinkoumn 09-11-2007 7:20 PM

<a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3333992194168790800" target="_blank">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3333992194168790800</a> <BR> <BR><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3435280730043757237" target="_blank">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3435280730043757237</a>

bocephus 09-11-2007 7:48 PM

I'm a Smokey Yunick fan so I really dig the alternate fuel hocus pocus stuff...We would all be driving around in Smokey Yunick hot vapor engine powered Deloreans if John wouldn't have done the old coke dealio you know! Budnick and Iacocca each had over $100K wrapped up in Smokey's engine and were betting on it. GM couldn't figure it out. Everyone called it a hoax! I have seen the engine in one of the research labs at Florida State University. <BR> <BR>Twenty years ago, the late, great racing mechanic and inventor Henry “Smokey” Yunick left the automotive engineers shaking their heads when he invented and patented his hot vapor engine. Based on the familiar four-cycle piston engine concept, instead of cooling the intake air to improve efficiency, he used coolant heat and exhaust waste heat to significantly warm the intake air. The purpose was to fully vaporize the fuel and to make the intake air expand in the intake system to generate positive pressure, like a supercharger. A small turbocharger was used as a “mixer” and as a check valve to prevent the expanding intake air from backflowing out of the intake system. With the heated, pressurized, homogenous mixture, the engine ran at air/fuel ratios considered impossibly lean, such as 22:1, on pump gasoline. The hot vapor engine made incredible power and was highly efficient, responsive, surprisingly emissions clean, and delivered fuel economy of 45-50 MPG in a compact car, and it did it all without computers, smog pumps or catalytic converters. Although initially denounced by the automotive world as a hoax, several prominent SAE engineers later published papers validating Smokey’s theories and design. It was no hoax to Smokey. He considered it his greatest achievement. However, the automotive giants had their own designs for increasing fuel economy and controlling emissions, and Smokey’s simple and cost-efficient engine package was ignored. Today, Smokey’s designs are buried somewhere in the U.S. Patent Office (<a href="http://www.uspto.gov" target="_blank">www.uspto.gov</a>, patent numbers: 4,503,833; 4,592,329; 4,637,365; 4,862,859) awaiting someone to take this technology to the next level. So just when you think you know the rules of how things work, somebody comes along and breaks the rules. It’s only fitting that it was Smokey Yunick. <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/499887.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR> <BR>Oh well, it's way way off topic I just thought burning salt water was cool!

rio_sanger 09-11-2007 7:54 PM

You could hook that up to your Raw water pump, T off to your fuel tank and run forever (in the ocean) just add some salt for lakes!? <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/crazy.gif" border=0>

malibuboarder75 09-11-2007 9:16 PM

I hate those videos, because it only makes me more pissed off at the oil companies.

rallyart 09-11-2007 9:58 PM

Wake up guys. That cute little flame burned for two minutes which means that radio beam was on for at least two minutes. The gauge on that frequency generator runs up to 1400 watts. There is more energy going in than coming out by a bunch. A two hundred watt light bulb could heat steam to run that little motor. <BR> <BR>It's very neat to see it work but we are not witnessing the remaking of mankind.

malibuboarder75 09-12-2007 5:42 AM

Did you watch the 16 minute video? The guy made a machine that was like 17000% efficient

sinkoumn 09-12-2007 6:59 AM

The last two minutes of the 16 minute video says it all. <BR> <BR>You build, YOU DIE!!<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/uhoh.gif" border=0>

svguy 09-12-2007 11:05 AM

Unfortunately, there is no free lunch. I agree with Art. It takes a certain amount of energy to dissocate the hydrogen and oxygen in water. (Actually if you do electrolysis of salt wafer, you get hydrogen and chlorine). You can use the hydrogen to generate energy (as in the video) but you will never get more energy out of it than you put in. If you could, you could make a perpetual motion machine.

sinkoumn 09-12-2007 12:15 PM

<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/500129.jpg" alt="Upload">

malibuboarder75 09-12-2007 12:47 PM

<a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8346441546420435391" target="_blank">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8346441546420435391</a>

rodmcinnis 09-12-2007 2:13 PM

A version of this comes around every decade or so. What amazes me is that the press will still pick it up and give these fakers their 15 minutes of fame. <BR> <BR>Simply put, water won't burn because it is already burnt. You mix hydrogen and oxygen together and you get heat and water. You can also combine the oxygen and hydrogen across a special membrane and produce electricity and water(fuel cell). <BR> <BR>The fuel cell process is reversible. You put electricty into water and it will produce hydrogen and oxygen. This is a standard chemistry lab experiment. <BR> <BR>The only thing new here is the use of radio waves to excite the water molecules to separate into hydrogen and water. The basic equation remains the same, there will be losses in the process so the energy you can get out (by recombining the oxygen and water) will be significantly less than the energy you put in. <BR> <BR>Rod

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