im havin trouble w/ em...any advice..and how the hell do you do the bodyvarieal over the wake?

You'll have to grab the board to do a wake to wake body varial. <BR>Speaking of big spins, did you see that sequence of Aaron Reed in one of the latest WBM? A 3 with a blind varial. Whatever the hell that was it was sic.

yeah i did...i dont know how they do some of that Sh*t..i'ts just sick as hell

that was a backside big spin.

well i just started wakeskating i went twice and i can only ollie and 180 and sometimes body varial. But if a big spin is the same on a skate board your describig sometihng different.. on a skate board its a 180 shuvit with a body varial the opposite way

It's the same Jimmy. <BR>Aaron Reed did a shuvit 360 though with a body varial the opposite way - insane.

Jimmy, that's not a big spin (I don't remember what it's called, but grubb does what you're describing in incomplete). A bigspin can be done frontside or backside, and it's a 360 shoveit with a body varial in the same direction.

Check that last sentence Chef and think about it. Visualize it. The <u>body varial</u> can be either frontside or backside and would not always <BR>be "in the same direction". <BR>Additionally, I don't think it has to be a shuv it 3 to be called a big spinny. <BR>Many of the tricks in wakeskating have there roots in skateboarding - for obvious reasons. <BR> <BR>

I know what a big spin is and I know it comes from skateboarding. I've learned (from trick tips in tws and whatnot) that you need a 360 shove and a body varial in the same direction as the shove (ex. backside bigspin, frontside bigspin). Perhaps I didn't type that clearly. Bs bigspin= backside 360 shove with your body doing a backside spinning body varial. Look at the photo of reed in the december 2003 issue of wbm, or watch sfumato. There are bigspins all over the place. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by electricsnow on November 20, 2003)

the "chef" is right..if you dont understand 'em..they are in hella vidoes..check out byerly in meternome

David I think they showed Aaron's well, it might not have been Aaron but in Metronome some one pulled a 360 shuv-it with a blind 180, it was CRAZY!! Metronome is one sick vid, if U haven't seen it u gotta check it out. I think the rider may have been Daniel Lovett, or Drew... hmmm... I suppose I jus need to watch it again.. <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/biggrin.gif" border=0>

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Jimmy "But if a big spin is the same on a skate board your describig sometihng different.. on a skate board its a 180 shuvit with a body varial the opposite way" <BR> <BR>what your describing is called a gay twist.. shuv it body varial the other way... a big spin on a skateboard is when u 3 shuv and body varial the same direction as the board. ive been skateboarding for quite a while!<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" border=0>

David D <BR> <BR>chef is correct...the body varial is always done in the same direction as the 360 shuv....which can be either Fs or BS.

If you 360 shuvit and spin your body the other way... I think it would be a tre-shuvit sex change. Kickflipping and switching your feet up is a sex change on a skateboard... so I would call it a 360 shuvit sex change. Big spin is if you spin with the board (same direction)... a Bigger Spin is if the board does a 540.

Heres a vid of a nice proper big spin. <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.wakeskating.com/media/showphoto.php?photo=2430&amp;cat=503" target="_blank">http://www.wakeskating.com/media/showphoto.php?photo=2430&amp;cat=503</a>

Chef's correct! <BR> <BR>The pop shuv with a body varial the other way I always heard, and called, a sex change. Jamie Thomas taught it to me.

A frontside 360 shuv w/ a bs body varial and vise versa fs3 shuv w/ bs bv is a gay twist. Big spins are 3shuvs with the body spining a 180 in the same direction as the board.

dudes almost all the stuff is just emulating skateboard tricks but its on the water and you dont get leverage off the trucks and wheels so its slightly different. and a bigspin can be done fs or bs. say your goofy stanced like me and you wanna bigspin it goes like this <BR>fs 180shuv+bs body varial= bs bigspin <BR>or bs 180shuv+fs body varial=fs bigspin

no no no a big spin would be a fs 360shuv+ fs body varial= fs bigspin. bs bigspin would be the exact same thing substitute bs for fs.

go to wakeskating.com and then to trick tips and there is an explanation of a fs bigspin. read it and get back to me.