Sorry to throw out another one of these threads because I know theres a ton of them but was very curious. I had the opportunity to take out the lyman yesterday and absolutely fell in love with it!!! Amazing board!!! super fast, light, and a little looser than im use to but honestly a welcomed suprise. I have also been wanting to get out on a witness but the local pro shop i got the lyman from doesnt have one. how similar are the boards??? Is it absolutely necesarry I get out on the witness before I make my decision. Im coming from an obrien demented which has been an AWESOME board for me however it is kind of a tank. Weighs the same as the lyman board without bindings as the lyman does with.... I have heard awesome reviews about the witness to so thats what makes me so curious. Really dont want to drop 250 on a board unless I know its the right one. Also I should mention ive never really ridden Liquid Force but man oh man they did it RIGHT on the Lyman!!!!! <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/biggrin.gif" border=0>

witness is a little less Poppy than the Lyman, but still has great POP, but not loose like the lyman at all. Holds/bites/edges hard. Not as fast as the Lyman, but still quick.

and the lyman lands A LOT softer

so basically the lyman is the best thing to happen to wakeboarding....

Jesse, what size did you demo? I'm curious about the same board vs the 2008 murray.

I have ridden a lot of boards and the Lyman is my favorite thus far. The Murray would be next...

jesse, yes.....it is, especially with the ltd vantages <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/proud.gif" border=0>

I like it Josh!!! <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> Diego Im 6'2 200 and demoed the 143.

i ride a witness and i really wanna try a lyman....overall the witness is the best board i've ever ridden. Its got real predictable pop. I ride it without the center fin so its pretty loose flat but once you throw it on its edge it grips real good. The one this i like about the witness that seems to be different from any other board is the edge is pretty thick and round all the way from tip to tail. Its not tapered like the lyman so it makes its real forgiving if you catch an edge.

dude the lymans pretty forgiving as well dude, i've landed it in butterslides before (scared <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> though) <BR> <BR>and it has the same feel as the witness, very loose when flat but once its on edge it locks right in and accelerates like WHOA ! <BR> <BR>i like it with the extra fins though because it'll feel like its tracking and you'll look down and it's basically in a butterslide lol. CUPPED FINS RULE !

The Lyman is an incredible board....plus it flexes a fair bit....it makes our cwb's look very stiff in comparison (marius and absolute) <BR> <BR>I havent tried the witness but the tail is thinner on the lyman....thus more flex. Anyone had them side by side?

the lyman is also a little thicker in the center i believe ?

Sorry for the hijack. How does the Lyman stack up to the Watson?

Well boardersbestbuy.com just made the decision for me!!!! Rode the lyman again tonight and am pretty jacked about gettin one!!! <BR> <BR>Tyler, <BR> <BR>I have ridden both watson and lyman and to be honest theres not a lot of difference. the lyman feels a little bigger but other than that both are very predictable and about the same amount of looseness.... The watson might sit just a tad deeper in the water.... If you love your watson I would stick with it because theres not a lot of difference between the two.

Well I don't have a Watson, I was just wondering how the two compared. BBB is making it very hard though, as I'm not sure I want to take a chance and wait for a Watson that may never come on there.

dude... what are you riding now???

lyman on bbb today

Sort of on topic- How does the Lyman compare to the 08 Murray? I saw the post above that put the Lyman just above the Murray, any other opinions? I currently ride an 06 Parks and decided I want to try something else.

How about a Lyman vs a Shane?

08 Liquid Force Lyman 143 <BR>BoardersBestBuy: $179.90 + 30 for shipping. <BR>Great deal!

hey, just wanna know the difference between a lyman vs ps3 as well. i'm riding a 06 ps3 and have been thinking about switching to a lyman

Lol I would be riding an '07 Murray

I've demoed the witness, watson, and purchased a Lyman. <BR> <BR>Lyman vs Witness, <BR>Witness is a solid board that tracks and carries well. It feels like it tracks harder but not quite as fast, it's mellower in the transition phase. It's not as poppy but as I said it carries. <BR> <BR>Lyman vs Watson <BR>The Lyman transitions faster, it still allows the same edge speed but the board overal feels quicker to respond. The pop is more abrupt, not sure about bigger but you know when you've nailed it.

LYMAN!!!!!

I ordered mine from BBB today and I'm LOOKING FORWARD to it!

you guys are gonna love your boards....especially russell....being older. <BR> <BR>the lyman lands super soft...you can feel it flex on landings. ...plus its a rocket ship!!

Well. I ordered my Lyman today and a pair of Ronix Reliks to go with it. Will be curious to see how well it works now.

LYMAN!!!!!

dang they sold out on BBB.

I've ridden the Lyman a few times and thought it was a great board. I'm getting the Witness 144 in a few days. I'll report later.

I just bought the Lyman 139! Now I have to wait for it to get here! Im gonna go CRAZY!

the lyman is tec. the axis isnt it just with removable fins ?

william, the axis is faster, pops the same, and lands harder. <BR> <BR>personally i dont see the reason to need the axis in the lineup with the balliness of the lyman. but thats just me <BR> <BR>you are all going to love the Lyman. i just slapped a pair of LTD vantages on mine this last week and am LOVING THE COMBO !!!!!! looks sick, the vantages have to be the best boots this year. Together with the way the lyman rides it just makes you want to bone/poke every grab out into the flats

LYMAN!!!!

Josh the solid black on black? I'm rocking the same set up! With the red in the board, I rocked out a pair of crimson board shorts, black riders bib over my vest and had my hair with red streaks/highlights for some style this past weekend at the Canadian Wakeboard Championships. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by EternalShadow on August 21, 2008)

Rocking a lyman with vantages also. Seems like a popular combo. I still don't have fins for it but I'm actually liking how it rides finless. The board is fast, a good amount quicker than the transcend I used to ride. Pop is effortless and the landings are softest of any board I've ridden.

Andy, What size Lyman do you have? The 139 or 143 and what is your height, weight?

I'm happy with my choice. The Witness has a nice fluid and controllable pop and a solid edge hold into the wake. Great board, I'm looking forward to getting used to it.

Jeffery wait till you hear this, all but one of my boardshorts are black red and white, the one that matches the best being the quicksilver campeons, but wait theres more ! i also rock the black and red quicksilver ignite vest ! <BR> <BR>was soo ballin the day i wore that whole outfit (also with a red and black bandanna lol)

LOL Nice Josh! <BR> <BR>I'm sporting a couple pairs of black and red boardshorts myself, my current aquisition being a pair of oakley takumio that I rocked out the red lockes with. I'm wearing the Oneil vapor with the silver and slight red accents too, unfortunately that was covered by a contest bib. <BR> <BR>I still had fun with the red and black styles.

the 08 witness 144 is on Boarders best buy for 159.00 today

I saw that Randall. 144 is just too big. I think im gonna return the 139 Lyman I ordered. Im 6'1 195pds I think the 139 is a tad too small for me.

I ride the lyman 139 and I'm 5'10 190-195 lbs and I love it, I've got one of the limited boards and it was only available in 139. I changed from a transend platinum 141 to the Lyman and for me the lyman is easier to ride(by easier I mean it doesn't tire me out as quickly). The difference in size from a 139 to a 141 is only about an inch anyway, I seriously doubt you will notice much difference in the ride.

megatmoe, I'm 5'11 and 140lbs. At my weight and height I could ride the 135, but when I demo'd it I took a few grabs big and the board would start to drift behind me. The 139 took about 2 sets to get completely used to coming off a transcend. Especially cus I ride the lyman finless, it's alot looser than my transcend with fins. I rode the shane too, absolutely loved it. Perfect feel with the fins in and the pop was huge and predictable. I chose the lyman cus I wanted a 139 instead of a 136