Ok so I just got the 20d (thats what I could afford) and was wondering for around 600$ what would be the best lens to buy. Also I really like the fisheye lens look but 1400$ for that lens seems REDICULOUS is there any alternative. Thanks guys and girls

FOR wakeboarding the 70-200 f4L and I'm not sure which fisheye you're looking at, the Canon fish is about $550 and the sigma which is very good is $300+. The Canon fisheye is the equivalent of a 15mm rectalinear - in fact there are many good de-fishing programs if you want to use it as a standard wide angle. <BR> <BR>Here is a shot taken with the Canon fisheye on a 20D. as you can see the fisheye effect isn't very pronounced because of the 1.6X sensor in the 20D. <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/87667/380920.jpg" alt="Upload">

fredmiranda.com <BR> <BR>for $600, you can probably find a 70-200mm f4 in there easily, as well as a fisheye. try not to go too "cheap" on the fisheye. you'll notice the difference when you spend the money. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by dakid on October 17, 2006)

can you make it more of a fish eye with the 20d or no. does the sensor prohibit it? that photo doesnt even look fish eye to me. But I am a newb. Thannks Joe for the website.

I'd also go with the 70-200L f/4 and like Joe said it can be had for 600.00 <BR> <BR>Here's a shot from a Canon fish. <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/87667/380929.jpg" alt="Upload">

I definitely recommend the 70-200 f/4L. It is a great lens and I bought a mint condition barely used one for less than $500. Shop around and you should find one around the same price.

how do you get the extreme fish eye look?????can I do it with the 20d thanks guys sorry for the stupid questions

Sigma makes an 8mm fisheye which should give you a more pronounced FE effect on the 20D. <BR> <BR>The regular fisheye was really designed for FF sensors like the 5D / 1Ds mk2 or 35mm film. One thing to remember is that having the horizon in the center of the frame really reduces the FE effect as the first of these 2 shot demonstrate. Both of these were taken with the 5D and Canon FE. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/87667/380980.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/87667/380981.jpg" alt="Upload">

spin2win, you can get more of a fishy look on a 20d, but not extreme. it boils down to how you use it

If you are looking for a good wide angle, (doesn't give much "fisheye" look) the Canon 10-22mm L is pretty awesome. I use it a lot. <BR> <BR>It's my choice of lenses for tube shots and shots on the boat. <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/87667/383036.jpg" alt="Upload">

How do you like the 10-22? that's one lens I haven't tried.

I love it. When I go on the boat for a shoot, the two lenses I pack are the 10-22mmL and the 70-200L. <BR> <BR>One thing to note: with the 10-22mm you must use an external flash, the built in flash will cast a shadow off of the lens. <BR> <BR>I have my waterproof housing designed for my 20D and the 10-22mm. <BR> <BR>Things I like about it: <BR>1) Focusing is solid <BR>2) Focusing is forgiving. If you don't grab the rider, usually you grab the water spray on the tube shot and the subject is still in focus. <BR>3) Super wide angle shots <BR>4) L series glass <BR> <BR>Things I don't like <BR> <BR>1) at 10mm it's not very fishy. <BR>2) Can't use it with a full frame camera (5D, 1D,etc) (it's an EF-S series) <BR>3) f is 3.5-4.5 if memory serves correctly. <BR> <BR> <BR>Overall I really like this lens, it's definitely always in my bag. <BR> <BR>-S

Cool, didn't realize it was an "L".

It's not, but canon claims that if it wasn't an ef-s and had better build it would be

the 10-22mm lense is a sweet lense, but i think i'd go for a 17-40L. IMO its more versatile if your going to be shooting other stuff besides wakeboarding, or if you ever upgrade to a fullframe camera. especially when shooting in the boat. but for tube shots and really upclose shots, the 10-20mm can't be beat.

does anyone have photos from the 8mm with the 20d.

I do somewhere. I also have pics with the canon fish somewhere also. I'll try to find them and post them for you

Here is a not so good pic with the 8mm and 20d. it doesnt really show how "fishy" it can get. that all depends on your angle with the horizon <BR><a href="http://www.pbase.com/russian64/image/60642249.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.pbase.com/russian64/image/60642249.jpg</a>

20d and canon fish. yes it can get real fishy <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/87667/383202.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR> <BR>(Message edited by cmawsr on October 24, 2006)

ehh...I don't personally think so. I've played around with a couple different copies of the 10-22mm lens and the edges of the frame seemed smeary. I mean it's a totally fun lens, but I wouldn't really hoist it to the ranks of the L series.

oh, and here's a picture taken from an 8mm lens on a 20D... <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/87667/383256.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR> <BR>the lens is a Russian built Paeling or something like that. It's super cheap, but you get what you pay for! It really is fun to mess around with, though.

Odd, I thought it was an L.. my bad. I still like it a lot though. And yes, the edges do stetch and skew a lot.. you just have to take that in consideration when you shoot.