please help--having trouble getting the 180 and gettting my feet under me. <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb2d3MM4w6U" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb2d3MM4w6U</a> <BR><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnoSEjsmfgc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnoSEjsmfgc</a>

You need to let go with your front hand about half way through the flip. That way your body has no choice but spin that 180.

advice i got when attempting this trick at a camp: dip your right shoulder and move the handle to your new lead hip (right hip). i haven't stuck the crow yet as i am working on frontrolls, but i can tell in just a few attempts that these 2 tips are key to sticking the crow. hope it helps.

Honestly, I throw my crows two handed so I don't think that is the real issue here. It might help to drop your front hand, but leaving two hands on the handle is also good to give you some strength on the landing. <BR> <BR>The real issue to me is your pop. It really looks to be like the 180 is trying to come around (look at screen shot) but doesn't have enough time to do so. Really focus on going up first before you start flipping. I bet that will solve your problem. <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3184/718849.jpg" alt="Upload">

It looks to me like you need to stand up more at the wake instead of twisting over it. I have the same problem but after watching learnwake.com the boat seems to pull you up and over with a slower cut to the wake.

Thanks for the tips--Im going to put them to use tomorow and we will see what happens!

its actually a front roll trainer but you can see how he fights the 180 back to a normal front roll but they do a split screen of your cut and kyles cut. <BR><a href="http://www.learnwake.com/" target="_blank">http://www.learnwake.com/</a>

you got to let go your edge before you hit the wake! On the vid, you keep a bit of this edge... it kill the trip filp pop! Stand tall on your front foot and it gonna happen!

Thanks for all the tips. I have tried it a bunch of different ways but seem to be getting the same results. Here is about the closest I got this weekend. <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZdpu8g1N3c" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZdpu8g1N3c</a>