2014 product rumors
 

what have you heard for 2014??

i have heard at least one big one from tige including a new RZ2 with enhanced focus on wakeboarding that i wasn't supposed to break but someone on the owners board posted it.

and at least 2 major announcements from nautique that i don't have permission to break yet...

So Nautique will unveil the G21? What else... only logical thought is that they attempt to enter the budget wake market?

New Hulls For The 210 230 And pretty Much Both Will Be redesigned. Best Of All, No More Hydro Gate!

X-46 is about to be released by MC. Replacement for the X45. Sounds like it will be a sweet boat.

They opened own eyes and saw how gates not works - unbelievable!:eek:

Centurion FX44 with Rapid fill Ballast....complete surf ballast, with no pumps or bags!, all hard tanks! Fill in 1.5 minutes!!!

Not sure if you have any first hand experience but the gates do work. I can absolutely tell from the shape of the wake what position the gate is in while behind my boat. You can also feel the back of the boat move when you adjust the gate.

Feel sorry for all those who bought 230's this year. Resale may not be as good as it has been in the past.

Big things coming from Axis this year.

Mastercraft is coming out with a econo line using the 205v hull. They will use analog gauges, plug n play ballast, removable carpet, simple 2 tone gel designs, and is expected to run 50-56 out the door.........


Boat will be called the X-you miss

Hey chatt how come every time I see a axis thread it makes me wanna sling my v210 and buy one?

LOL!

I think the 205V is done forever, but I have heard a few times about an econo-replacement. Time will tell...

X46 is about to be released, and the new ProStar is finally on its way... (Longer wait than the new Xstar for those that don't ski)

Looking forward to seeing the new stuff from Nautique.

Chris,

They are great boats. I'm sure you're v210 is awesome as well. I wouldn't blame you for wanting to swap for an A22 though. The wake is really nice!

I know but thinking about a new 205 gets me jittery. Pretty sure any rumors about the econo line are just that. Everyone I have talked to says its not going to happen. The new prostar is far overdue but in reality those are well designed boats that just need a few tweaks. Hopefully they don't get too cute with it.

Some new stuff coming from Sanger for 2014 as well, but not letting any details out just yet.

Axis needs to get back to its price point roots at least here in my area.

I think nautique is going to shake the 22+ ft boat market to the core...

Chatt...A24??

I have been told that the Malibu LSV is going to get a big makeover, and a 24 non pickle fork axis!

Be super nice to see something new from Sanger

Nothing from the Supra camp???? I heard they were doing their 2014 photo shoot this past week.....

Someone posted on axis forums the possibility of an a24

http://www.pavati.com/wake_boarding_boat/boats/

http://www.wake.co.nz/features/article_xtrek.php

Anything from exile.

New Supra model in 2014.

i really like the pavati boats... 21' with a trailer for 60k. very intrigued.

Any wet sounds info?

new Centurion features

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Bill that Cats thing looks killer. They had a lot of stuff in there but that was just awesome been waiting for something like that.

yes that is pretty badass! ive never been a big fan of centurion but that is a pretty sweet addition for them.

The cats system is a REALLY good idea to clean up the wake. I boarded behind a 233 last year, and with the boat full of people, we had a difficult time cleaning it up on both sides (Deep V boats are temperamental that way). Ramfill looks like it fills crazy fast too.

Looks like Centurion is stepping their game up and building a boat that can both surf and wakeboard with the best of them.

love the cats idea, would pay to have that on my 230 today. tired of having people move or adding/removing ballast.

Supra and Moomba both supposedly have new models, but it is just Facebook gossip. Not sure anything about them or seen pics. I know they just had their photo shoots last week, so maybe rumors will surface soon. Fair to say with the success of the Mojo and the SA they will have smaller versions maybe??????

doesn't the CATS system do the same thing as the surf gate and NSS? I am not trying to diss, just wondering. they all "crab walk" the boat, right? if not, please let me know. either way if it works, i like it!!!

Very cool stuff there from Centurion!

It looks like cats is more of a fine tuning system not full on surfgate or nss. Also both those systems do not deploy at wakeboard speeds.

Lots of refinements in the Supra line up....the direction of the brand is continuing its migration to the next level. Look for an exciting new model or two in the Supra AND Moomba line up.

Colors, graphics, trailers, interiors etc all looking swell!

Some pretty cool stuff from Centurian but from the prices that I just looked at most of the new Enzos were 70k and up. Know with all the new stuff you are know looking at a boat most likely 90k and up. All of these new boat models coming out with all these cool features, but to me they are making them a pipe dream for most people. But I sure do like seeing all the new ideas coming out.

That cats system looks sweet. It would be so nice to clean up the wakeboard wake without moving people and ballast around. The RZR is very "tippy"

Don't spread rumors... :D

This. Nobody sneeze. A 125 lb cube fixed that right up for me

Pavatis wake looks horrible!!

On the fly man... You have the girls in your boat moving around? Much less getting up to move while under way identifying a washy wake, or moving a 125lb brick 6inches?

No need to yell at anyone or to direct traffic or instruct movement of weight. Seems pretty ingenious to me...

Oh it is ingenious, I was sharing a solution with another RZR owner.

Ah yes. Didn't see that last part of his quote...

I wonder how this tuneable CATs system affects the size of the wake... it is creating lift on the side of the boat that is heavy it seems - similar to a trim tab, but doesn't look like wake shape is affected... If shape stays the same, is the size the same as an evenly weighted boat if the weight in each boat is the same? My mind says no... but I wonder what the real world implications are...

Isn't the cat a turnable front skeg? If so it's not creating lift but crab.

How hard would it be to put on a home made turnable skeg? Seems like it would be pretty easy to fab...

Back to the OP's question, the factory rep who was dragging around the G25 for demo days last year told me that we would see the G21 in June/July of this year. We'll see.

There's also a new Moomba model in the line up this year!

Maybe a mini mojo?

With the overall success of the Mojo and how well people have received it, I think it would make sense that they would want to continue that formula either up the line or down the line as far as size is concerned. I think we'll all find out soon!

But, knowing those out of the box thinking design team at Skiers Choice these days, I wouldn't be surprised if we see something total new!

I'm hearing a few changes to Nautiques 2014 line up!

Sounds like a smaller Mojo and a new design from Supra. X-46 is supposed to follow the same shape as 10,30 and Star. Really excited to see that one.

Definitely excited to see the new X46. Any rumors of mastercraft going to a surf system like Malibu and nautique.

LSV23 will have my eye as well. It will be hard for Bu to beat such a classic.

Tigé Will Be dropping PCM And Replacing There power Plant With Indmar For 2014

that is interesting. MB and Tige dropping PCM in favor of indmar recently. Will Nautique be the only company using PCM at this point?

Centurion runs PCM

Wonder why that is? Price?

I would think, Indmar lost a cash cow in MC and is probably pricing aggressively to rebuild that lost sales. Not like any of us will see it on the back end though...

Centurion has been using PCM since 2010!

The new LSV will have the same hull as the current, but man the changes on it's upper hull give it a bit more aggressive look. I think most people will love the new look

I wish MB would put somthing out on there 14's.... havent heard anything.

That's what I have heard as well. Why change perfection I guess. It will be awesome I am sure.

http://www.pavati.com/wake_boarding_boat/boats/

What in the world are they thinking having people riding in that transom seat and drinking beer??

Great advertising pavati. Good luck with those lawsuits.

Just like Mastercraft surf seats, its called benchmarking ;)

Bow looks shallow, not very secure...

Axis 2014 A24 is confirmed and SurfGate is confirmed. 2014 Vandall with SurfGate ORDERED!!!!!

I'm waiting to see what the a24 will look like? Just like the a22 and a20 or a little update?

I don't believe mastercraft advertises those stern seats as surf seats being that they are not nmma certified to be in use while the boat is in motion.

Called my dealer yesterday about it and he said they will be going to a demo of the new A24 in the next month or so.

Supra has some really cool stuff for 2014. Should start seeing it within the next several weeks.

Dude.... They have surf tabs.... these were out in 06 before surf gate and NSS... works better and less drag

I've seen them in action, they don't work near as well as NSS or surfgate.

dude.... surf tabs, aren't those cute. come on man do your really thing surf tabs from MC are even in the same category as Surf Gate or NSS.

Nautique has some pretty sweet stuff. New interior, new graphic, new gel lines. Glad I didn't get a G this spring, the 2014s look way better

And I'm excited to see the x46 in person. Although it has seating similar to the x14v which seems weird.
Also wish the xstar would get new lines and graphic already

Metallic purple. Nuff Said

Supra Version Of The G...

^^^ the Gojo?

Hahaha

I've seen a G23 in that color. Man is it sweet.

I'd like to see where the A24 news has been officially released?

Has the middle class boater almost completely dissapeared? At least as far as new boats go? Apparently the real upper class is the only thing supporting these new boats. You would think there would be some room for a real entry level priced boat but those don't seem to even sell that well until you add all the crazy option anyways that push it up into the crazy price range.

I wonder if the world of cable parks is really going to start catching on in the U.S.? It seems like the only way to get the middle class and upper middle class into the sport.

Can anybody tell me what the build cost is of a 21' wakeboat. I am talking strictly just the parts,labor, overhead for an individual boat. Does a 21' boat cost more than 25k to build? I know you have to factor other things in like mold design and maintanance cost but still. Aren't most boats built in just a couple days from start to finish? Labor can't cost much more than a couple grand can it? I mean it isn't like a shop rate of $100 an hour. I am guessing most boat builders make less than $20/hour. Even if it takes 3 people, 3 8 hour days that is only about $1500 in labor. Is there 20k in parts in most of these boats that don't have LCD screens? I was told by Mike Brendell that a new mold cost somewhere in the neighborhood of a half million. I would hope they get at least 500 boats out of each mold before it needs to be completely redesigned. 500,000/500=$1000 per boat produced. Is there huge insurance costs that go into operating a boat manufacturing facility? You can't add freight as that gets added on after the fact anyway.

It seems like the boat builder's must make a pretty hefty margin unless they are spending an insane amount of money on marketing(I would consider sales reps as part of the marketing portion). Is there a huge amount of dollar allocation to warranty potential?

Sorry for my off topic rambling. I just kind of wonder where this industry is going. I know one thing that is popping up around Seattle is peer to peer boat sharing. Seattle is an incredibly expensive place to buy and use a boat. For those that actually live in the city most wouldn't have the space to keep on a trailer on their property. That means mooring or putting in dry stacks. Dry stacks are about $300+ a month and most require a 12 month lease. That means you pay $3600/year to use your boat 4 months or so a year. For actual months you use the boat it breaks down to about $900/month to be able to use your boat in the city. That is craziness. Boat sharing seems to be a way to get more people into boating without having to shell out that kind of dough. Even if you pay $400 a day to use a boat you get to use it 9 times a year before you even get to the point where you would pay for the storage of the boat.

It has for people unwlling to finance. The age of cheap financing is 'the' major reason for boat price inflation. But there are some good things that come from that as well. Better resale being the big one.

Partnerships are a good way, as well. My last airplane was in a partnership, as was the boat previous to the one I own now. Partnerships can be great if done properly.

But boating has always been expensive. Wakeboarding has required manufacturers to do a LOT more. You can still buy plenty of I/Os cheaply.