So my price range is less than 45000 and i want to purchase a new boat. <BR> <BR>I am looking at the <BR>Moomba LSV <BR>Malibu Vride <BR>Mastercraft X2 Price? <BR>and CC SAN 210 price? <BR> <BR>Please give me your opinions on their wake performance asap Austin Boat Show is tommorrow

Sanger V215...

no sanger dealer in austin sorry. <BR>but of those mentioned how does the wake compare

Vride is a good option out of that list. x2 will be in 50's as will the 210.

Have you looked at the Tige 20V or Z1. Should be able to get in your price range.

vride all the way. However, if you can live with less bling the moomba will serve you well too.

There is a Sanger Dealer in Dallas, and one in Houston. Just FYI <BR> <BR>But my second choice is a Mailbu V-Ride

The new Centurion Falcon V is priced right at $40,000. It is wide and deep. Worth checking out!

The new Centurion Falcon V is priced right at $40,000. It is 21' long, has a wide beam, and deep. It is worth checking out for sure.

You can't get close to a CC210 or X2 for 45,000. You might get close on an X1, V-Ride and for sure on the Moomba. You really should check out the new Centurion Falcon V.

I have Mobius LSV and love it. Quite roomy, plenty of power with 325hp. Surfs good. I have Gravity III ballast with upgraded rear bags. 08s come with 400's... I have 750's in mine.. only use full when surfing. I looked at 20V and it was smaller than LSV and equally optioned, they were close in price. Hear good things about the new centurions... This is my 2nd Moomba. Decide what all is important.. make sure you get what is important in options..(Perf Pass, ballast, etc..) Make sure you get the most important things that are not easy to install later.. (i.e. tower speakers, subs, etc can be easily added later...ballast not so easy if you want stock install.) <BR>Good luck

Sanger. They are built like a tank! Have great customer service reps and even better company owners that have your back! Sanger is a family owned business, not some company that will sell you a boat that has been sanded down and regelcoated! They have the best gel coat in the industry (wakeboard boats). They handle rough water like no other wakeboarding boat.

try to pick a demo boat... they're so close to new but like 10k cheaper

I think Binders Marine World in Fort Worth has Supreme? Prices are from $39000-55000 V drives. All with Ballast tanks Perfect Pass etc. Good Luck!

The only boat on that list you'll be able to get for $45K NEW is the moomba. We've already seen the "boat show special price" on the Tige Z1 at $55K.

Nice sales pitch Bocefussss. You actually think sanger doesn't do the same thing as every other boat manufacturer, they make mistakes to. With that said I agree with going with the sanger over a moomba if it was on his list, they throw a sweet wake. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by 05mobiuslsv on January 19, 2008)

Come on Nu Bu, please...........We all no that that sticker was for a loaded up Z1 on a trailer with a retail cost of (from what I've been told) $5800.00. <BR> <BR>AndY, dont believe everything you read, including my posts, go find out for your self.

Mike what do you mean. I thought the MSRP was $65k on that sticker?

Excuse me it was $68k, so that really puts it out of the budget. <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/532024.html?1200311657" target="_blank">http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/532024.html?1200311657</a> <BR> <BR>(Message edited by 05mobiuslsv on January 19, 2008)

This is a sweet looking Z1, not sure about the asking price but a sweet color combo. <BR> <BR><a href="http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/9/9/91555099.htm" target="_blank">http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/9/9/91555099.htm</a>

ok so thanks for the input but the sanger is out. i definantly need a dealership in austin. I need PP, built in ballast. Really i have gotten down to the LSV and the Vride. <BR> <BR>Wake performance only, which will perform better?

The Vride won't be as finicky about weight placement like the moomba will. The wake will be better on the Vride weighted comparably. Without wedge the wake on the malibu will be a smoother transition, the moomba is more of a verticle wake. With the wedge you can get more verticle with vride. If you can get a vride for that price then go for it. Vride will have a better resale value as well. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by 05mobiuslsv on January 19, 2008)

Optioned out eqaully it would be a hard choice. Gonna pay more the the Bu. I think you are right on with the 2 boats. Not too sure what all comes on the V-Ride for 45k, but I know the LSV can be loaded up nicely with accessories for that price and sure be an eye turner <BR> <BR>Both wakes are going to be great wakes and have advanced capabilities for sure. Both companies have great customer service. Also the V-ride needs about the same weight as an LSV to get the wakes churning. Wedge also a nice option, but Moomba offers a wake plate to fine tune the kick you want out of it. <BR> <BR>To many pros and cons for each boat to go back and forth. I will say Moomba quality is no longer bottom of the barrel like it was years back. They offer a solid no frills,well built product with a great powerplant and wake to boot. All in all it is going to come down to which wake characteristic you like better. I think the Bu will give you a little better "plush" feel inside, but you may not be able to get one loaded with all the options you could get on the Moomba so for some that is a huge thing. With show incentives you can really dial in a Moomba. If it were me, both boats together side by side I would lean V-Ride. But now put those boats side by side and add in the dealership you are going to be dealing with. Go with the most reputable dealer. It will pay off in the end 10fold. <BR> <BR> <BR>I will also say if you have a local Centurion dealer check out their new Falcon V. I can't comment directly on the way the boat rides and and what type of wake it produces, but from what I have seen and the time I spent inside one, and after owning 4 of their previous boats I would be hard pressed not putting that boat in the mix. Could get one nicley equipped for around the 40k range. It's a 20ft'r with a 100 beam if I recall. Was humongo and deep inside. Also rated to have one of the tallest towers and gave the most headroom. Nice feature for us 6ft+ people. Again can't comment on the wake, but from what my rep explained to me as well as others on this board it is def a contender. <BR> <BR>Also not sure how close to 45k you wanna be, but check out a Supra 21V. <BR> <BR> <BR>(Message edited by xstarrider on January 19, 2008)

Another vote for the Falcon V. You can easily get one of those with ballast and pp for the low 40's. The tower is super tall and looks good too. As for the wake.....just go ride it. It's really hard to make an accurate judgement just by looking at it. Good luck with your purchase, you should be able to find a very nice boat in your price range.

Andy the v-ride doesn't need a lot of weight to get a very "meaty" wake. I run/ran anywhere from no ballast to 2k worth and pretty neat to see the wake just grow. Of course there are people putting even more weight into a v-ride/old vlx hull.

go mobius lsv...with the extra 20k you save on this boat, go pick up a truck to pull it with!!!performance is just as good as the others and the wake can be shaped to any liking.

Take a look at the Sanger 210 or 215.

Yo Walt check out his post "ok so thanks for the input but the sanger is out". Maybe if someone else says sanger he'll change his mind <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/lol.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>Tom so you're saying he can pick up a new mobius lsv for $25K <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/rofl.gif" border=0>

I missed his second post.

Just ribbing ya a little <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/wink.gif" border=0>

AndY <BR>I had the same decision you had! However I went with the Moomba. The things that sealed the deal were: <BR>1 Rated for 13 people. The boat just seemed much bigger and open.(10 people in the BU) <BR>2 Way more options for the money. As stated earlier, build quality on the moomba has come a long ways. Fit and finish is as good as the BU <BR>3 No bulky hard tanks in the storage huge amount of storage and a decent package with the Grav III option, also easy to upgrade later. <BR>4 I'm not a fan of the Illusion tower. I really didn't like the other tower options. I've heard lots of complaints about folding them down as well. <BR>5 I believe the Moomba warranty is better as of this year. of course dealer makes the final decision in most cases. <BR>6 I love my dealer, bought my first boat from them and they have taken really good care of me. They are one of the most reputable dealers in my area. <BR>These are my opinions obviously, but things to consider.

Andy I guess I should add if you have it narrowed down to the bu and moomba, demo both. It is your money that is being spent.

I like the malibu dealer in round rock. They have always done us good.

ryan just a note on the illusion tower. While some people don't like them, they are the easiest folding tower in the industry, and they fold lower than the windshield.

This dealer has a leftover 2007 Avy in your price range <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.classicmarinellc.com/index.php" target="_blank">http://www.classicmarinellc.com/index.php</a>

The Malibu dealer had an 07 V-ride close out for 43K. This was the one we were considering. Might be worth the trip. (If you were a BU fan)<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/wink.gif" border=0> <BR>Bridge city watersports Portland Oregon <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/536342.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/536343.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/536344.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/536345.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/536346.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR> <BR>Oh, it does come with a trailer.

I agree with the new Tige' Z1 with ballast.

The Z1 didn't look like anything special to me at the boat show, then again I haven't seen the wake but I can't seeing it being any better than a Mobius XLV <BR> <BR>I would look into XLV, for the money its nearly impossible to beat

thanks for all the input i am pretty decided on the LSV. I just got to finish up everything to make it work and decide on my colors and exactly what options i want before i order it. I will be going out to demo here pretty soon and making it is what i want to go with

Andy, please update us on your demo. I'm curious about the wake. I have tossed the idea around about buying that or the XLV; strictly for the wake factor.

I was gonna say XLV as well. What do they come in at price wise? IMO, probably the best stock wake for the money boat on the market.

Option <BR>Price <BR>Mobius LSV Base Price US $38,595.00 <BR> <BR>AM/FM CD and MP3 w/Driver Remote (Sirius ready) Includes Package A (4 channel Kicker amp) 895.00 <BR>Bimini Top (Black) 550.00 <BR>Block Graphics No Charge <BR>CNC Wakeboard Prop Upgrade 95.00 <BR>Depth Finder 295.00 <BR>Dual Battery System 175.00 <BR>Gravity III-v Ballast System (1 Front Bag, 2 Rear Bags) 795.00 <BR>Hydraulic WakePlate 895.00 <BR>PerfectPass- Wakeboard Pro 1,195.00 <BR> <BR> <BR>TOTAL US $43,490.00 <BR> <BR>those are all the options i am adding. <BR>Vride price is hard to tell b/c malibu doesnt post prices online. but vride will be more with the same options

Moomba LSV <BR>Malibu Vride <BR>Mastercraft X2 Price? <BR>and CC SAN 210 price? <BR> <BR>First, how could you consider a Moomba and the other three in the same comparison, specially the SAN. <BR> <BR>Second, if you are on a budget you should do some research and get a Sanger!

i wouldnt knock the moomba until you ride behind one, or try to fit 13 peeps comfortably, or store 12 boards out of the way with full ballast...i understand that the little bells and whistles of the big 3 arent found on the moomba, but when it comes down to it you cant beat the moomba for the price

dont get me wrong here, i would love to have one of those other boats but for a young gun like me, everything i need is in a brand new lsv for about 25k less than the others

I have riden on one. The boat was less than one year old and the tower swayed like crazy, I thought it was going to come down on us. The tower flexed so much that the fiberglass at the mounting points was severely cracked. In my opinion if you are going to put a loan on something for over 5 years it had better last that long. My friends have boat loans that go 15 years long and I sincerely doubt you will see very many Moombas out on the lake at 15 years of age. I do however think you will see some Correct Crafts, Mastercrafts and maybe even a Malibu or two... <BR> <BR>You think everything you need is in a brand new LSV, but when it breaks and you have to shell out what little money you have to fix it or you have to let it sit until you can afford to fix it you will think otherwise. Get a Sanger, they are built like a tank and will easily last as long as any other boat out there. The Sanger is quality without the bling, the Moomba is just less quality.

I'm gonna pistol whip the next person the says "Sanger" <BR> <BR>Hey Farva, whats that name of that place in Sanger with all of that goofy <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> the walls? <BR> <BR>You mean Shanaigans!

Sanger! It better be at least a .45.... I have a big head!

Andy, <BR>Being in Austin, in addition to looking at the boats and talking to the dealers, make sure you check out the service. I can tell you that South Austin Marine (dealer for Moomba &amp; Supra) has the best service in Austin (my opinion). Central Texas Water Sports (Malibu dealer) has had some issues with service (in the past) and some issues with boats being vandalized and having stereo systems stolen while in for service. Location of the dealer and service are also important. South Austin Marine is convenient if you are in Central, West or South Austin. They are located off 290 about a mile East of the 290/71 Y. Central Texas Water Sports is located off interstate 35 just north of Round Rock. <BR> <BR>Given the availability of the boat dealers in Austin, I would have a hard time buying a Sanger in Houston. Sure you can get the boat serviced by other boat dealers in Austin, but you won't get the extra level of support you get from a dealer you purchased from. <BR> <BR>Also, personally, I think the Mobius LSV is the better fit and finish. The V-ride, while a great boat, is a stripped down version of their premium boat, the VLX. Since Skier's Choice changed the hull in the Mobius LSV in 2006, it puts out a great wake. <BR> <BR>That being said, you will be good with either the V-ride or the Mobius, but check the dealers and their service. Go for convenience.

Bocephus before you come in and and start bashin shat check out the rest of the thread we already ruled out the sanger being that there is no sanger dealer in austin. Second i was looking in that price range and asking for the asking price for the other two as they are not stated on their websites.

Saw the Z1 with tower and few other extras with no ballast for 47 then he said we could add a trailer and get you right around 50.

Personally, i thought that the X-2 Is wildly over priced, I have rode behind a few, and i was not at all impressed with the wake it throws. <BR> <BR>Plus, the LSV is a sick boat, and i could go on for hours about the wake. <BR> <BR> <BR>Definantly the LSV, over all the others,

Got to throw it out there again, Sanger, you can't go wrong. Ok shoot me <BR> <BR>There is a Sanger Dealer in Dallas, and one in Houston. Just FYI

I didn't read all of the above, but I'll throw my $0.02 into the mix with this...buy a 1-2 year old boat and save a crap load of money, or demo like one said above. If you can live with a bad A$$ boat that is a couple years old and all you do is wakeboard, look at an 03-05 X-Star. New they're not near the $45K budget, but I'll bet you can find an 03 pushing mid to high 40's/50. Not much different from a brand new one either.

ok i am not towing my boat 3 hours just to take it to the dealer case closed sanger is out

^^^that could change^^^^ as the wall said to me one day

Just read this whole thread, had to laugh at how many times Sanger came up, Andy maybe they're trying to tell you something... <BR> <BR> "Ok I am not towing my boat 3 hours just to take it to the dealer" <BR> <BR> When I bought my Sanger in '99, the closest dealer to me was 250 miles away, over 4 hours. Drove there to pick it up, and never been back since. <BR>I'm not saying that you may never have to take your boat in, maybe you don't do your own service, but there's got to be a place near you that works on all brands. <BR> <BR> Let's face it, most use either Indmar, PCM, or Mercruiser, (and Mercs are probably in as many as the other two put together) <BR> <BR>If you don't want a Sanger, you don't want a Sanger. But IMO, just because there is no dealer near you, is not a logical argument to not consider ANY boat brand. just my two cents...

Mark, I agree with you. Buying a used boat is not always a bad idea. My first boat was a 2000 Moomba MobiusV. It was a great boat, besides finding loose screws here and there. We now have an 03 SANTE. It was 2 years old when we bought it and paid 37k for it. Runs like a brand new boat and looks like one too. The best thing about buying a used boat that new runs over 60k is the owners usually take very good care of it. Good luck with what ever you decide.

Drove 175 miles one way to get my Sanger and passed every other dealer except wakecraft along the way. I haven't had to go back yet. If I need engine work I'll use a local dealer that works on mercruiser (svfara dealer). It's foolish to pass up Sanger because it's a bit of a jaunt to get one. That said if you dont mind a smaller boat get the V-ride if you can actually find one for less than 45k. There's no chance of you finding a Nauti or X2 for less than 45k so those are out.

the mobius gets my vote. everybody has a story about a bad experience with atleast one brand of boat, whether or not its a budget boat or way overpriced.

I love my LSV...We have never had a problem. If there was something wrong with the boat, our dealer fixed it right away within the week. I have great experiences with Moomba and Skier's Choice.

geeeez......cant we all agree on one thing and be happy the guy is thinking about getting A BOAT!!!! giving the guy pointers and helping is one thing but saying mine is the best and everybody elses sucks ?? PLEASSE If there was just one boat out there wouldnt it be kinda boring?? Demo all you can- pick what boat u want to pay for,dont matter if its a flat bottom -9hp long as you like it... good luck and dont pay any attention to idiots!!

thanks rodney, but this isnt my first boat. so after looking at the moomba at the boat show i wanted to step back and look at what i could get a couple years old in in mint condition. I have a found a couple '04 Supra GG editions that are in mint condition for 38000-40000. which would leave me some cash to throw in for tower speakers and such. what do u think? anybody got a '04 supra gg?

Wakeshoe, <BR> <BR>FYI The V-Ride was a strip down of the pre '05 VLX. In '05 the VLX was widened and includes under floor ballast in the rear three tanks. The V-Ride rides on a completely different hull. The concept of a boat at a good price point is what the VLX represents.

Just so happens there will be a Sanger dealer in Austin by the end of the month. Andy, hit me up if you'de like to check out a Sanger. Our new shop will be on the same road "Carlos and Charlie's" is on. See ya soon... If you'de like to check one out at the Dallas boat show, I've got some tickets for ya... <BR> <BR> <BR>Jess

There will be a Sanger dealer in Austin shortly...

Sanger is on the way to Austin. If you want to demo one let Jess or myself know and we can get one here. <BR>And check your PM. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>SHANE

Didn't think that first one posted, oops. Shane will have a 215 down there shortly. Scott Pellaton will be at the Dallas Boat Show on Wen's and Thurs. Stoked about Austin! If the orange and black 215 is still around after the boat show I'm bringing that one down there first!

ok so my interest in Sanger is rising. I am very interested in visiting you guys at the Dallas boat show and there 75 % chance I will be up there to check it out on the 9th, Saturday. I want to check out the interior of the Sanger.

the tige 20v or the z1 is going to be the best bang for your buck. the only way to be sure is to drive them all. you owe it to yourself to atleast do that

Last Sunday I was in a Tige Z1 prices just under 46K. 340hp, trailer, stereo ((H/U, cabin speakers, drivers remote), shark eye nav lights, fiber glass swim platform, Tige Speed Set, tower mounted mirror, transom grab handle, swivel board racks. <BR> <BR>AndY, don't know if your $45k budget is including trailer or not, but you could include ballast with these options and be @ your $45k mark for this model boat.

Bottom line regardless...TEST DRIVE!! and BOARD BEHIND IT. Then and only then will you know what is correct for you.

Ok so I went to the Dallas boat show today. I looked at everything and I have really narrowed it down. I could get a brand new 2008 moomba lsv, a sanger 215v, or I talked to the Nautique dealer and he said he could get me into a 2 year old with low hours 210. I like a more rampy wake and i prefer the Nautique interior to either the sanger or the moomba. I would appreciate any suggestions or comments on these 3 boats.

If you're into a rampy wake the sanger is going to be the best out of those 3. You could put some more weight up in the nose of the 210 and achieve the same goal possibly? I think the moomba's are to weight sensitive for my liking.

May have to cross the Sanger of my list. I’ve been considering the V215 but with my poor technique I need more vert than ramp otherwise I have to work to hard <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/proud.gif" border=0>.

<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/rofl.gif" border=0>thanks

go with the 210 used I sold mine at seven years old and only repair ever done was a starter. We put a ton of hours on that boat loaded to the max and never had a single problem. Also resale is great on cc.

So what you goin with andy

either 210 or sanger whichever one i can find the best deal on, i prefer the 210. but really i want the boat of the future

Sweet--you ever look at used x2's, they'll be in your price range with the bling