Ok, so i took the fins off of my cwb and man they are never going back on. When I had the fins on it carved really hard but I definately did not feel like it was helping me edge correctly (not that I am now) but this is my problem, when i go from regular stance to try to ride like 90 degree's so horizontal to the boat. When i do that it seems like there is not enough tension on the line so I am pulling back harder and then I just land on my butt. So I'm trying do this so I can learn to ride switch. Also if any of you guys have seen my past posts I thought I was wakeboarding to fast but my dad drove this weekend and he said " Yea, I was looking at the wrong guage" LOL so i'm boarding at 23-25.

it is really slippery without fins so you must use the edges to cut, to ride perpendicular(not horizontal...you're thinking of the horizontal bop...entirely different)bend your knees a little, just lift with your toes and push with your heels to keep the front edge up but not so much that you slip to your butt(you're just over doing it)...you can ride with your back to the boat perpendicular the same way just press with your toes, keep your head up and look to the back and press with your toes and you'll be backwards perp to the boat....this will teach some handle passing too and then you can do surface 360s... it's funny because im a barefooter we are always turning so when i ride a board this is exactly how i ride it no fins perp to the boat either frontwards or backwards, i can go w2w and 180 in the air whatever that is... <BR>barefooters training to turn do this same thing with shoeskis that are only a little bigger than your feet...and we do it at 20-25 mph, then go to shoeskis that are only the size of your feet then to your barefeet... <BR> <BR>and make sure your driver is reading the speedo <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/rofl.gif" border=0>

Thanks. yea i might be leaning too much and ussing too much edge. feels like im stopping on a snowboard hahhaaha.

IMO, Surface tricks are better when the boat is going between 18-20 mph

bend your knees......relax

I have trouble getting the handle passed on the surface. Any pointers?