I'd think its going to be closer to the release. However I highly doubt they are going to put a product marketed at this demographic out with a terrible wakeboard wake. I would think everything else is a second thought to that. It would be considered a massive and catastrophic failure in my mind if they screw up the wake

Not sure how the wake is going to be that great when the boat is only 20 feet and comes with less than 900 pounds of ballast. At least the Axis has a wedge to offset the lack of ballast

They have good wakes already dialed in, and paid for. For a couple generations. They just need to make an economy version, non of the brushed aluminum, fancy computers, etc. Just bare bones. They can do it.

Oh also, 50K doesn't include a trailer

I actually like that it is narrower. It is a benifit to me that it would need less ballast to sink.

I'm still just not a fan of that tower.

thought the rumor was it was 50k with a single axle

You mean like they did with newest X-star?

kidding kidding... just had to take that shot.

All I wanna know, is how strong is this tower on the NXT. can it handle the weight of a bangin stereo, and bikini babes hanging from it?
Wake, less of a concern.

Judging by the sturdiness of a normal Mastercraft tower, I wouldn't expect much from the NXT's.

There have been a few complaints about a few towers..........not all and seemed to be random. Not exactly a recipe for generalizations. Might as well not buy a G because of shaft issues.

Wonder why they went with a touch screen? Maybe it's not touch responsive, but in any case seems they could have saved some money sticking with all gauges. Actually I can see some people preferring an analog based gauge system.

Think the decision was correct. A lot of people including myself would like an analog system for reliability and cost effectiveness on replacement etc. I think they made the right call though. This boat is aimed at the just out of college bunch and I don't know anyone of that age that doesn't want at least some kind of screen.

how in the hell is a 50k boat aimed at the "just out of college bunch" I make a really good living in my profession (engineer) i have been out of college 4 years now and cant afford to drop 50k on a toy.

Yep +1 ^^^ (I guess technically you/I could afford it but probably wouldn't be the best investment and would consist of cutting back $ elsewhere, financing over extended time periods, etc... I agree with you completely though)

yeah i guess if i didnt save 55% of my income for retirement then i could probably afford this boat. but i do so I'm SOL... on track to retire by 40 with a boat that does the exact same thing ... pulls me on a wakeboard... for 1/3 the cost. and its a proven hull.

There are a lot of younger people paying 50k for a boat. Only difference is now they can get a new one with a warranty that says MC on the side. I didn't mean that literally but that age range. I own a 25k boat so I completely agree but I know folks rolling in a 100k boat my age so yea.

Super input. Will keep that in mind. KKTHX.

PS: You smell fantastic from here

Those folks rolling in the 100K boat are also rolling in debt as well

The majority probably are but you never know. I had a ton of disposable cash when I was single and without kids. Its all up to what your situation is. For some people a 50k boat is a great option if you don't have the knowledge to get your hands dirty and want the warranty behind it. For some of us if you look at maintinence costs on an older boat we are essentially paying for a new one anyways.

Are you sure about that Rusty

that was close! for a minute there I thought we were going to slide back into some NXT discussion! Whew!

any where to get real decent pictures?

I am interested to see what this boat looks like all complete. The teaser boat doesn't get real excited but I will wait to reserve judgement till we see a full release. It is an interesting boat just from the size standpoint. Going narrow just doesn't make a lot of sense to me unless they really want this to be a pure wake machine. I just don't think that appealing to the "core" rider is the best plan if it means you give up all the family/general boater buyers(who make up most of the market) because it will have a narrow/small interior. I could understand if someone was going to build a smaller wakeboat that is narrow and could be had for 40k or so with triple ballast, PP, Tower, racks and trailer but I am not sure that is realistic these days. The closest thing to that was the V210(which is gone now) and even it was just so low profile and narrow that it didn't sell well anymore.

Who knows though. There are probably some crazy people out there that will buy it just because it has MC written down the side.

Since this boat is a chopper gun boat is it being built in a different factory(at least the hull and deck)?

The san210 sold terribly right? Not being a smartass but the size difference is minimal. Yes those boats are small inside but people love them. A lot of folks don't like having 10 people on their boat and if you have a small core riding group this could be the ticket. If they produce a knee snapping wake like that I'm going to find it hard to believe people won't buy the boat.

I would think it would still be onsite. It does raise questions though when you start talking about a completely different style of boat both build and finish wise.

Just saw an MSRP sheet for an NXT. Came in at a whopping $80k.

At least it included a $3800 single axle trailer...

Uh Oh. We have a problem???? 50k, what do you get for that???

yeah, but it's going to be fun for the dealers to try to negotiate with buyers who just laugh and say "oh no no, Mr. Dealer. You and your silly MSRP build sheet. I'm no dummy, it's $50k all day long!"

For $50k you get a hole in the water surrounded by fiberglass

Wow 55K would have been understandable, but 30K over their advertised price. You can't tell me someone put 30K in options on a 50K budget boat!!

How or where did you see that?

I imagine if you added heater, underwater lighting, full wetsounds, and so on you could add 30k to anything.

Just like any budget boat out there, I'm sure the $50k is No options and No trailer. You can definitely buy the boat like that, but a lot of people wont. You could easily get to $80K if you get the biggest motor possible, every stereo option, and all of the other options. But then again, they are just options. You dont have to get them.

Just like Axis. You can get Axis boats way down in price, but most people want to throw everything on them. The options are necessary to have a good time, but people are willing to spend the money. That's why boat prices keep going up. People want more, and keep paying for more.

heater = $500
underwater lighting = $1000 (more?)
wetsounds = $28,500?

we are talking standard bs prices here. Like Mitch said you can drop a few grand on bigger motor too. 3g on a single axle. It all starts adding up quick.

Upgraded stereo
upgraded motor
underwater lights
bimini
tower lights
upgraded tower could be a big cost
pop up cleats
dual batteries
upgraded ballast

This was with the standard 5.7l motor...

I said right from the start that these will end up being 80-90k for a boat with decent options. Once your into that price range it opens up a lot of options on the used side of things. If that is indeed the price i can't see them selling that great.

Chatt- how did you see an MSRP sheet before the dealers have even seen one? I saw the MC east coast rep yesterday, at the boat show, and he said that pricing info won't even be available for another 2-3 months.

Wouldn't make much sense to even bother, when the X2 has an MSRP of 80-90k if you spec with the standard engine and basic options.

Original SAN is 21'6" with like a 92" beam. So it wouldnt be too out of the ordinary

Yes the SAN210 was a popular boat but that was 10 years ago. The main boats it was going against in the early 2000's were the 205v hull, VLX, 22ssv and mobius lsv. A couple of those are slightly bigger but really they were all similar size outside of the 205V which is really small. Basically all current 20' boats are bigger(storage and interior seating) than the san210. There is a reason they quit making it. Very few people in my opinion are going to give up the room and storage for a great wake. Again, that is assuming this boat throws a first class wake.

I've also been wondering about the point of bringing out a brand new boat in that size. They could have used the old 205 hull since its almost exactly the same size and kept the cost down even more because of no R&D costs. I think the 205 hull with a updated newer style interior and a 50-60k price tag would be a winner. Its still one of the best crossover hulls out there and would be an ideal "starter" tow boat for many.

The 205v used building techniques and practices that would require more costly materials and labor than the Nxt. As far as R&D cost, rumor has it that the nxt is merely a failed attempt at the new Prostar, so any costs for development were minimal. The 205v was simply not competitive at the price they had to sell it at in the end; there is a reason mine sat at the dealer unsold for over a year.

And I still am curious how Chat saw a build sheet.

He didn't he's just starting chit

That rumor about it being a failed Prostar hull was apparently just that. A rumor. Over on Teamtalk the word is its an all new boat. Not sure why they couldnt update the building methods on a 205 to keep costs down. I guess i'm not all that up on how they were built but i can't see it being much different than new boats.

I don't just make stuff up.

Post the price sheet then

No chit from Chatt

Let's remember that chatt purchases a new boat every 12 weeks, so he very well may be truthful.

Redesigning a boat to include the labor saving advantages of a liner (with the deck mold) can be done, but again thats R&D costs. Plus doing that still wouldn't improve the 205v's crap rough water ride andd other shortcomings...

I still stand by the Prostar rumor; in today's modern towboat world I find it hard to believe MC would design a 20' long and 91" beam boat unless it was originally a ski boat attempt. Failed Prostar would still make it an all new design. (Plus, MC has zero to gain by admitting that is the case) Either way, I like what I see from the NXT so far.

Nxt
 

Interested to see what this does to the market share of axis. Even being as it's a smaller boat, I bet it draws buyers from the 22' axis.

My thought too. No basis but common sense behind it. I mean my theory would be that the whole thing spawned from a failed attempt. I mean what company is going to say they designed a botched ski boat and got the idea to run with it. Again no basis to my thought process.

I don't think this boat will as much. Think this is meant more to attack moomba and the A20. The nxt 22' however is an obvious aim at the a22. Don't think anyone looking at an A22 is going to be in the same market as a 20' 90" beam boat.

I agree the 205 had a crap rough water ride, but it wasnt much worse than any other 20' boats i've been in. They may be trying to go for a hull that surfs a little better than a 205, that was the main reason i got rid of mine. I do agree its a nice boat and i like what i see so far but if pricing is where I suspect it will be, i just don't really see the point.

I thoroughly enjoy my X1. This has me intrigued with a few features and surf potential. This is aimed right at my demo/psychographic. I'd rather buy this or another used boat than get a new CC210, X10, VLX-D or VTX-3D if it can ski well enough.

Below are a few specs & new pics (I omitted a few bits of info to protect the innocent). Most notable are the interior shot of the rear bench/sundeck and engine bay. I'm glad to see a slot for a removable or optional pylon.

For those that doubt the strategy with this boat, go Google the sales impact of the MC's neighbor, Cobalt and their 10 Series, Jaguar with the XF or Maserati with the Ghibli where no new brand name was needed as they seek to extend the lifetime value of a consumer.

that 91" beam is going to make this boat feel really small and probably going to be the pitfall of the boat. Calabria always had small boats but with 102" beam they felt much bigger. Now take a small boat with a smaller beam and its going to look like a clown car with 9 people crammed in it i'd imagine... time will tell. i like the design and everything else i've seen, just the dimensions are lacking for me.

Calabria - They did have 102" on their 23'6" boats (ProV/TeamV/23Cal-Air) while it had a low freeboard, that's no small boat. ;) I had to look up the width of some of their other boats was sure they were all narrower. 98" on the 21'6" ProV2 (still felt super-wide at the time) and the DD CalAir had a meager 87" let alone the XTS or Comp.

Small boats (NXT)- some of us that like smaller boats for handling, many ski better, easy to tow and just big enough for a fam and a few friends. Seems many outgrew the X1, I love the size. It will always be much bigger than my PS190, though I would appreciate the extra stbd bench seat, ice chest and the wider bow in the NXT. For reasons or 20' lake restrictions only a few boats make sense VTX, M20V & NXT.

Big Boats - I totally get the fun with big boats. There's either a party atmosphere, extra space between guys that don't want elbows touching, pride, or just a better rough water ride, Plus, that's what it used to take to get a good surf wake. I'm just not up for paying thar much to take my kid's sports team to the lake nor losef cross-over ability.

Gauges - someone said earlier they'd rather have less expensive analog gauges than this screen. ICBW, but I bet this screen is much less expensive than precise servo driven analog gauges.

Funky cour combo's too choose from

I guess to save money they made the boat with a 91' beam AND had a 3rd grader write the description?

I am pumped for this boat, I really hope they can keep this at $50k all day with a trailer, that will help keep Axis and Moomba honest. If they keep the "mastercraft" name on it everywhere, then they will steal a bunch of Axis and Moomba business with that price point. I got to spend some time in Axis' new T22, priced at about $55k with some really nice options (including surf gate), it is a huge feeling boat and nicely laid out design… unless you have boat lake restrictions or garage needs, I doubt anyone would choose that NXT over the T22… unless they MUST have a mastercraft.

Can't wait to ride behind this thing. One really good thing is it should not need a whole lot of weight to get a huge wake, maybe 2500 lbs total?

The boat is 50k, but you are going to get your normal complaints "I just went and priced a NXT and it came out to 70k fully loaded". People do not seem to grasp the concept that "options" are "extra". Skip the wetsounds, skip the heater, shower, cleats, etc (you get the point) and the boat price stays low. This is true for almost any boat however. Axis has stayed pretty price point, but the "extras" drive the boat price up. But to Johnny's point, I'd rather get a T22 for 5 k more, way more more room.

The Calabria Pro V is listed as 23'6" incl. the 30" platform. So it's really a 21' boat, and that's the biggest boat they made. http://calabriaboats.com/index_files/Page572.htm

The Pro V2 is listed as 21'6" incl. the 30" platform. So it's actually a 19" boat.

But you are right... they are super wide!

At 4,000 lbs I think I understand why it failed as the new Prostar ;-)

Haha, that is what I was thinking. That and somehow they have figured out how to build a 4000# 20' 91" beam boat. They must have a billet aluminum quota per boat and since this one doesn't have the billet tower they stuffed 500 pounds of billet under the floor. J/K, but not really;)

I am at the very least interested to see what the end product looks like, performs like and how much it actually sells for.

Exactly. I have always hated how Calabria tried to pull that crap. They got away with it because their boats were so damn huge inside.

Forgive me. I've had those numbers in my head but had them wrong with that caveat.

LOL, I forgive you! :-)

I only knew that cuz I almost bought a Pro V2 back in the day and I was worried about garage fit. I always thought it was bizarre the way Calabria listed that.

WHEN: LIVE April 28th @ 1:30 EST and 10:30 ESTWe are excited to formally introduce you to the MasterCraft NXT 20 - the most accessible MasterCraft ever. The NXT is well equipped and built with the details and quality you expect from the best brand on the water. This is the boat that will your customers started in the MasterCraft Brand and keep them coming back for more. During this Brandlive Presentation, we look forward to walking you through the NXT 20 and answering your questions about the newest addition to our MasterCraft family.

http://mastercraft.yourbrandlive.com...tintroduction/

so its 6 inches shorter and 1 inch wider than my X Star 205v. Love my boat but damn it gets TIGHT with more than 4 people in main area. Clearly I am not MC but this makes zero sense to me but sure they will sell a bunch!

If everyone is so worried about getting a decent sized V-drive for under $50k, why not just get a Tige R20? It has a 94" beam and a base price of about $39k without a trailer, so for $50k you could have it pretty decently loaded out.

Says in the comments on that site that $50k is with NO TRAILER. So that means the starting price for 95% of buyers is actually more like $55k. We'll know more today when we hear what the standard options are. I expect the standard options will be almost identical to the Axis A20. Basic 4 speaker stereo with upgrade options. Basic gelcoat schemes with options for more complex. No bimini standard, no plug n play standard, no surf system standard.

I would love to know where you are finding this R20 without a trailer for 39k, it's 55 k all day with the bare minimum options. That 55k the going rate not the MSRP

The sheet I saw had the base msrp price for an NXT20 listed at $63,490.00. Maybe someone in the know can chime in and let me know if that number is way off. Seems like it must be, in light of the whole 50k all day marketing scheme.

You can get a A22 pretty damn loaded with tricked out gel and trailer for that price. I would hope that numbers way off , but probably not. Anxious for the reveal either way!

Saw in a thread around here you can get a trailer with overspray all over it from Tige for next to nothing! They may even throw in some jacked up Gel on the boat base too [/troll]

JUST the boat? Or are we talking MSRP for the whole package deal?

@Swat. I helped my dealer sell 3 R20's last fall lightly optioned for 41K. That was probably 8-10K in options on paper(Trailer, cover, carpet, depth, heater, Front cooler with filler). R20's should be OTD less that 50K all day unless you option the heck out of them in which case cost wise your better off moving to the RZR.

How about a new wakeworld rule, from now on if anyone feels the need to get in a pissing contest about prices, msrp is the ONLY number discussed and it needs to be backed up with a price sheet.

Christ, and to think this is a comparison to a boat that hasn't even been released...

Whats worse? Comparing imaginary numbers or comparing a mastercraft to a tige'?. JK

Wow…feel threatened by other brands much???

Lets try to calm down, put the keyboard down and back away from the ledge!!!

That was just for the boat, with no options or trailer and base motor.

Not the one who came into the thread with a tige' woody. BTW some answers. I'm just busting alil chops nothing serious

a big bummer here

Also I do find it slightly cheesey to put a payment calculator right next to the boat info on the live event. Thats alil crappy imho

hmmm, no cupholders or speakers in the side of the boat where almost every other boat has them... That explains 91 beam and still getting decent interior size.

Tom where are you talking about? Side? They are near the floor which I actually like. They cut the speakers etc out of the side b/c of the width. Spill your beer and its on the floor and not soaking up in a crevice