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04-16-2009 12:36 PM

I asked Todd at Proctor surfboards to build James a board based on his Titanium series construction. Fairly interesting construction with a Kevlar "compression patch" on the deck, carbon patches over the stringers to prevent heel dents and delam on the perimeter stringers. <BR> <BR>Todd sent me photos of the blank off the machine: <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/687842.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/687843.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/687844.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/687845.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/687846.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/687847.jpg" alt="Upload">

brewkettle 04-16-2009 1:19 PM

and it will be delivered the same time the Coil board will. lol<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/rofl.gif" border=0>

brewkettle 04-17-2009 11:38 AM

Well i see you are spending lot of $ on James this year to find the best board that works for him. Its what every good parent does.<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/smile.gif" border=0>

ollies_drew 04-18-2009 7:05 AM

I thought james had pro Model board with walker project. Do they not care if he is out riding all these other boards. That sounds weird???? <BR> <BR>(Message edited by ollies_drew on April 18, 2009)

04-18-2009 4:31 PM

I believe the concept you are referring to, Drew, is a "contract". As I've stated before, James has no contract and never has with The Walker Project. <BR> <BR>My second post, the fifth in the thread from about 7 months ago. <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/87668/621855.html" target="_blank">http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/87668/621855.html</a>

ollies_drew 04-19-2009 7:27 AM

Gotcha, I was just wondering.

caskimmer 04-19-2009 8:30 AM

A pro model without residuals? ouch

04-19-2009 9:09 AM

LOL - yeah, because the 40 units Mike will sell of the JWPM in a year will devestate James long-term financial goals. I don't know how he'll EVER recover from the loss of $200 in the 48 years he has left to work. <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/rofl.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>What's with the Zap consortium on this subject?

caskimmer 04-19-2009 9:49 AM

consortium? I don't work for Zap. I did some freelance work for their next video and have friends on the team but I'm not an employee or representative in any shape or form. <BR> <BR>I've just never heard of a "pro bono" pro model (in any boardsport) before and it got my curiosity going. It might not that big deal to him but it makes it that much harder for the next guy. <BR> <BR>Also while the numbers might be minimal IMO that type of practice is detrimental to the development of wakesurfing as a legitimate sport. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by CAskimmer on April 19, 2009) <BR> <BR>(Message edited by CAskimmer on April 19, 2009)

04-19-2009 10:02 AM

I just liked your profile on their team page. Cool shades. <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> <BR> <BR>Yeah, won't argue the sport development issue, it'd be great if Mike could sell a million units and kick James 25%, just isn't in the cards and folks aren't lining up to sign James. The best deal that James was ever offered was 2 free boards and no residual or other monetary compensation. What does a used board sell for, maybe $150? That was before the full effect of the recession. I'd guess the infancy of the industry and sport don't drive rider sponsorships higher. I'm also sure that the current economy as hit manufacturers hard.

brewkettle 04-22-2009 12:02 PM

Surfdad , <BR>i am ready to see the 2 boards , man the proctor will be the bomb.<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/wink.gif" border=0>

04-22-2009 12:18 PM

ME TOO! <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> The Proctor is still not past the promised delivery date - I got this email from Todd on 4/15, so it will fall past due on 4/30: <BR> <BR>Hi Jeff, <BR> <BR>Thanks….I hope your Easter was good too. James’s board is coming along smooth. The design is complete and looks like it should go great… the glassing process for the Proxy construction is all that is left. It took some time to get the parabolic blank made since it was such a unique shape. Time table looks to be another week and a half to two weeks till she’s ready to ride. <BR> <BR>Speak soon, <BR> <BR>Aloha, <BR> <BR>Todd <BR> <BR> <BR>I don't even want to talk about the Coil anymore!!!! <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> In March Mike indicated that he talked with the Brasington brothers about the fact that it had been over 2 months since the deposit was received. NOW I have this vision of them high 5'ing and asking how long do you think we can drag this build out?! <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> <BR> <BR>I am estimating that I WILL get the Coil, this year. So that leaves 8 more months. <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0>

brewkettle 04-22-2009 12:34 PM

at least its not the xbc board<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/angry.gif" border=0>. do you think the sun will kill the kevlar , and have you used the 2 oz. 49 cloth

04-22-2009 12:59 PM

Kevlar does degrade in UV - so the epoxy has some sort of UV inhibitor but Todd's not telling me. <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> It was one of the things that intrigued me about the construction - I couldn't figure that out - it could be that he's painting over the Kevlar so that it just LOOKS like the Kevlar is visible. <BR> <BR>I'm a big fan of the 1.7 oz Kevlar I use it as the sandwich layer now. It's laminates out like a 4 oz at half the weight. Super strong in compression. <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/689574.jpg" alt="Upload">

caskimmer 04-22-2009 1:08 PM

"I just liked your profile on their team page. Cool shades." <BR> <BR>yeah, I'm the team photographer for a majority of the skim companies as well. You can't do what I do with any level of success and harbor brand bias. (and I've been doing this for 11 years) I'm for the development and progression of the sports I love, not individual interests. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by CAskimmer on April 22, 2009)

caskimmer 04-22-2009 1:47 PM

"Kevlar does degrade in UV - so the epoxy has some sort of UV inhibitor but Todd's not telling me" <BR> <BR>Typically a manufacturer's marine grade version of epoxy is UV "resistant" (aircraft grade is still the standard in composites and what I assume you're using)

04-22-2009 2:04 PM

I believe that I read on Todd's website that he is using Resin Research, if that's the case then he would be using the RR CE (Blue) version. I know that RR sold a UV Absorber - whatever that is <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> in the past no doubt what they add to the regular RR to make the CE. From the website: <BR> <BR>UV Absorber <BR> <BR>To protect sensitive substrates such as urethane foam, UV sensitive polymers and woods. Comes as a liquid mixed into the epoxy side of the system.

caskimmer 04-22-2009 6:04 PM

Resin Research is what I've got experience with too. The 1980 is what's usually used except for white boards then either 2000 or 2020 was used (can't remember which). The supplier had them listed as aircraft(1980) and marine grade at the time.

brewkettle 04-23-2009 5:51 AM

yea , must be right , the kevlar gives a green finish on his boards.

04-23-2009 7:16 AM

Speak of the devil! I got this email from Mike at Coil: <BR> <BR>It's Time <BR>to send balance! shipping early next week. you can paypal if you like, address is <a href="mailto:xxx@xxxxxx.xxx">xxx@xxxxxx.xxx</a>. heads up now to allow for mail time if you choose to send check... <BR> <BR>Can it be?! <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0>

brewkettle 04-23-2009 7:55 AM

its a front , he just wants the rest to sit on. hehee

05-04-2009 6:40 PM

The Coil is supposedly shipped, but I can't get tracking numbers...I guess time will tell. <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> <BR> <BR>The Proctor is officially past due, BUT I did get pictures. <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/693038.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/693039.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/693040.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/693041.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/693042.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/693043.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/693044.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/693045.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/693046.jpg" alt="Upload">

05-04-2009 7:04 PM

LOL - I posted those without looking at them - amazingly enough it looks like Todd painted over the parabolic stringers and painted a single stringer down the middle! <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> Or, I got someone else's pictures mixed in with mine. <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0>

brewkettle 05-05-2009 7:19 AM

yea , that does not look like your normal shape that you like to use, what kind of clear does he use after the paint work???

05-05-2009 7:51 AM

I don't know, I'll have to ask about the clear Todd uses.

hawaj 05-06-2009 3:44 AM

Hehe funny Jeff how you are allways there where my interest go. I was checking Todds web and titanium boards with kevlar three days ago and now I revealed this tread!! ...and alredy ordered board there ...wow <BR>But it happend several times before. Strange coincidence, whats going on here?? <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/uhoh.gif" border=0><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>Did Todd used PVC for stringers?

hawaj 05-06-2009 3:47 AM

scary people down there at Zap <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/uhoh.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.zapskimboards.com/files/factoryvideos/InTheFactoryScaminSteveMPEG1080923101809.mpg" target="_blank">http://www.zapskimboards.com/files/factoryvideos/InTheFactoryScaminSteveMPEG1080923101809.mpg</a> <BR> <BR>I think I want halfboard <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/biggrin.gif" border=0>

05-06-2009 7:52 AM

Hey Petr! Long time no hear. How have you been? I do believe it must be that great minds think alike! <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> Or, we see the same display ads. <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> <BR> <BR>Those stringers are basswood, but they are painted. I can't remember the blank manufacturer at the moment, but you can get different colored stringers. I guess the wood is pressure treated to infuse the color down into the grain a bit. Then when you shape it, the color still shows up. Those are black stringers.

ollies_drew 05-06-2009 11:12 AM

People at ZAP are crazy!!!! There was no consortium either Jeff. i was just asking how that deal worked. I technically have nothing to do with "ZAP", just Phase 5. BUt I guess I will always be apart of zap. And if James ever gets 25% kick back off a board please let me know what company is paying that much. HAHA That would be Awesome. Anyways this is another cool thread. I am starting to think your garage looks like mine with boards all over the place.

05-06-2009 12:08 PM

Yeah Drew, my shop building is seriously out-of-control with boards. <BR> <BR>I got some additional pictures from Todd today as they are laminating. <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/693601.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/693602.jpg" alt="Upload">

brewkettle 05-06-2009 6:03 PM

the last pic, i see green room epoxy in the blue and white jugs that are side by side

05-07-2009 7:30 PM

Is it? I think that's RR CE in the gallon jugs to the left. <BR> <BR>The Kevlar patch being fitted: <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/694084.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/694085.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/694086.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/694087.jpg" alt="Upload">

05-08-2009 3:44 PM

Carbon hinge tail being applied. One of the issues folks experience with the parabolic stringers is heel dents along the stringer. With a light glass schedule, the deck glass rips at the stringer and then makes a right angle across the board - deadens the board substantially when patched. This happened to James just before the Centurion contest last year. <BR> <BR>The carbon patches, hopefully, will eliminate or minimize the heel denting problem. Todd makes some incredibly thin tailed boards and the carb helps provide some pop on those. <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/694321.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/694322.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/694323.jpg" alt="Upload">

duffymahoney 05-08-2009 3:47 PM

You are one madd genius!

brewkettle 05-08-2009 4:49 PM

that is a wide tail

05-08-2009 5:01 PM

Thanks Duffy - although the construction is all Todd's idea. <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> <BR> <BR>Brewkettle, I think some of it is the camera - the last few pictures were taken using an iPhone. If you compare this picture of the blank off the machine the tail doesn't look as big, that picture was taken using the digi-cam rather than the iphone. <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/694327.jpg" alt="Upload">

brewkettle 05-09-2009 6:07 AM

playing tricks on my eyes<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/rofl.gif" border=0>

05-13-2009 8:34 PM

Fins going in <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/696235.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/696236.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/696237.jpg" alt="Upload">

brewkettle 05-14-2009 5:21 AM

so why wasnt the side bite boxes installed when the F boxes were installed , are you using the ones that Smed uses with adjustable cant??

05-14-2009 8:05 AM

Those canards do look like the 4wfs, don't they? They are actually a single FCS plug which are installed post-glass, pre-hotcoat, whereas the Futures rail boxes are a pre-glass install (mostly - I cheat sometimes when I am bagging the exterior glass <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> ). The new FCS Fusion boxes are installed pre-glass for that added strength. <BR> <BR>This board should receive a graphic on the bottom and then a gloss coat.

brewkettle 05-14-2009 9:29 AM

I'm ready to ride it , uuhhh I mean i am ready to see you ride it..<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/smile.gif" border=0>

05-20-2009 5:15 AM

Me too! It's "supposed" to ship today, however, board shapers clocks are on a different schedule than the rest of us. <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/698453.jpg" alt="Upload">

brewkettle 05-20-2009 6:46 AM

is that a vent or you planning to ride the ocean. <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/proud.gif" border=0>

05-20-2009 7:30 AM

Leash plug. <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> Isn't it funny? The shapers that aren't familiar with wakesurfing install those out of habit. I used to tell them I don't need it, but in the production process they would get into their zone and just pop it in, so I don't bother telling them any more. It will get covered with traction, anyway. <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0>

05-26-2009 4:36 PM

So I am home early today. Some kids stole the fuses out of the a/c units at the office, so the 93 degree air temp today made the office rather toasty! <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> <BR> <BR>The Proctor arrived today: <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/699894.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/699895.jpg" alt="Upload">

05-26-2009 4:40 PM

Todd refers to the bottom shape as curved or parabloic rail channels. <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> I've become so jaded with the marketing hype anymore, it's single to double concave. <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/699902.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/699903.jpg" alt="Upload">

hatepain 05-26-2009 8:59 PM

That board is gorgeous!

brewkettle 05-27-2009 6:18 AM

That board is on fire , put it out!!!!!!. Did you ever find out what he used for the gloss coat?? How about a pic with fins in please.

ds3 05-27-2009 11:31 PM

Looks awesome. Wish I was closer so I could test ride with you guys this weekend!

05-31-2009 6:48 PM

Hey Brewkettle, it looks like the Kevlar has a slight mist of grey. The rails are painted grey and that seems like what Todd has done to negate the UV. <BR> <BR>It rode well. <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/559019/701562.jpg" alt="Upload">


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