Which pump to buy - johnson or jabsco?
Hi everbody. After 6 years of manually filling up bags, I've finally decided to install an automated ballast system in my 99 x star. I'm trying to decide whether to get johnson or jabsco pumps. If anyone likes one more than the other, I'd love to hear about it. Specifically, I'm talking about the Johnson Ultra Ballast Reversible Pump and the Jabsco Wakeboard Ballast Puppy Reversible Pump. Thanks so much.
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I like how the Johnson is less expensive AND is rated 80GPH higher. They both use the same impeller.
I plan on doing Johnsons before next season. |
my last boat ran 5 Johnson pumps, they ran great. I would just upgrade the impellar.
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Johnson's don't come with a switch, the Jabsco does and is only $20 more.
http://www.wakemakers.com/wakeboard-ballast-pumps |
Johnsons all the way. The days of handpumps...gone! You'll be so glad you went with them
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I have been very pleased with the Johnson Ultra Ballast pumps. They are work horses with a very low warranty rate. I have only had a hand full come back in the three seasons that we have sold them.
Right now I have the Jabsco Ballast Puppy pumps on sale for the end of the season. Those will go back up toward the middle of this month. We were trying to blow out some inventory as we roll into winter. Realistically you are not going to go wrong either way. I setup a system this season for a Centurion Enzo customer with one Jabsco filling the starboard bag and a Johnson filing the port bag. The bags where both Fat Sacs, 750lbs, and they filled at the same rate for the most part. The Johnson was a little faster but not by much. I was filling at around 90 to 100 lbs. of water a minute. That was using 1" thru-hull intake fittings with about two feet of hose to the pump. The pump then had about three feet of hose to the bottom of the bag. |
I used 4 of these in my old boat and they worked fine. Little dangerous thought because they are not ignition protected as the Jabsco and Johnson are. I always ran my blower when i started the pumps or engine. These pumps are half the cost, usually around $95 shipped to your door. They move almost the same volume.
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just a though, if you run bags with no gauges maybe you should run aerator pumps so you can easily tell when the bag is finished emptying and you dont blow impellers. just my .02
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Jabsco has that, not sure if the Johnson does. But the Jabsco kills that argument if it is a factor in your purchase. Cost wise, by the time you buy the multiple aerator pumps and the pile of extra fittings, clamps, additional hose, etc. the aerator setup ends up being way more complicated, more expensive, and problem prone (look at all the posts on the web of priming issues with aerator pumps not being positioned perfectly). I've yet to see anything actually convincing to me that says aerators are the way to go at all. |
Both are good pumps but I went with the jabsco because of the run dry protection and the difference in size. The jabsco pumps are not as tall as the Johnson pumps which allows for more mounting options.When you put the two pumps side by side the jabsco pumps appear to be better made
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they're not nitrousbird, the reversible pumps are so much simpler. Also, the less connections you have, the less likely it will develop a leak and less parts to fail.
Spencer, I'm doing an install now that you sold a customer parts to last week. 2 Jabsco's on 1 Enzo sac, with 2 1" intakes, valves, and a 3-way manifold for extra external bags. Also had 2 customers last year with Enzo bags, and 4 jabsco's in each boat. Both of those guys are completely satisfied with the Jabsco's they've picked up. No impeller problems at all. |
I like Johnson
I have used both brands on my 2002 Tige. I installed the system and initially used the Jabsco with the reversing feature. The pumps would not reverse after about a year or so of use. I found a deal on the Johnson pumps and I have been very happy with the results. I all fairness, I decided to not use the reversing feature and I have a separate pump, a tsunami, to empty and I have an overflow line so I do not overfill. The system works great.
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Both the Jabsco and Johnson ballast pumps are ignition protected.
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When ever our Pre 2007 MasterCraft customers switch from the Jabsco to the Johnson pumps I have them change the impeller out to the green. It is a little less restrictive in the head of the pump which in turn cuts down the amount of amps that are drawn. That is the biggest issue with the reversible pumps. You need to have ample wiring and clean power for optimum performance. On a side note the Jabsco Pump Timer Modules don't always play nice with the Johnson pumps so switching them out in MasterCrafts 2007 and newer could result in some funky filling and draining times. Johnson is working on the issue so hopefully there will be a product that is 100% compatible soon. |
I forgot to mention that the tsunami pumps in my boat are located at the sac input near the bottom of the bag providing a prime for the pump to start.
I am glad to hear about the impeller improvement on the Jabsco as mentioned by Spencer. I will consider them again next time. |
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I have been using the Johnson pumps all season for our surf ballast, using stock impeller and have had no problems, they seem to fill and drain quickly and were a good price. Have also heard good things about the Jabsco pumps.
I went with Johnson because they were less money, and are a tad bit quicker than the Jabsco's. |
I'd like to thank everyone for your responses. I really appreciate it. Spencer, I plan to do the install over the Christmas holiday, and will be calling you later this week to discuss parts. Thanks again everyone!
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Jabsco Ballast Puppy vs. Johnson Ultra Ballast
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Spencer, nice little video comparing the two pumps. One question though, I am planning on replacing my old unusable jabsco pumps with the johnson pumps and wondering if my current fill/empty switch will work with the johnson pumps? Thanks
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Chris,
Not a problem. I have done that swap in a bunch of MB 52's. Thanks, Spence |
Spencer, you would be my hero if you would take the T1200, Jabsco, and Johnson pumps, hook each one of them up a a 400lb sac, start all the pumps at the same time, with the same voltage and head, and let the camera roll.
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spencer any word on the ronix ballast system?
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On the Supra I constantly ride on, we have a Jabsco Ballast Puppy running the 250lb under seat sack. Normally when we empty it we are on our way back to the dock and aren't paying too much attention to it since we are underway. We normally remember to turn off the pump when we notice the sound of it running dry and cut if off then. Never had any problems with it, even with it's running dry more often than one would like. It takes about 5 minutes to fill the 250 while at speed to our riding spot, but it's the only bag we can fill while moving since the rest are filled with an over the side pump. This on a Direct Drive BTW.
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