Mastercraft X46
I surprised nobody here has mentioned this. I don't think I like the back seat. Outside of it being extremely over priced (which is a given for almost any new boat these days), what do you guys think?
http://www.mastercraft.com/boat/detail/x46 |
It's in the 2014 product rumors thread. But this will be a good discussion about the boat. I agree that the back seats are bad.
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The styling isn't my taste, but then again that's my taste (too plain).
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just when i thought Mastercrafts could not get any uglier!
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Saw a video on FB earlier. Made a nice surf wave..but still going to be a way overpriced MC
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I like the new styling direction the MC's are taking. There is an X10 on my lake and the boat looks great. Obviously to each their own but i like this boat.
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Don't like the rear seat at all. Looks like the I/O "doghouse" floor plan. Rear must eat up the rear locker space. Didn't see the price, what is it? Let me sit down as I might pass out!!!
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I like the lines of the boat, nothing really bad to say at all either, but honestly doesn't stand out much different than the X45. Other than the new name a slightly different rear seating arrangement, it looks almost the same but just MHO
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It looks like the X45, new xstar and X14V made a baby. I like the overall look of the boat although I think the bow looks a little long as compared to the cockpit. I wonder what the ratio of bow to cockpit space is on this compared the the X45(not including the weird I/O cutouts). Speaking of the weird seating in the rear, I think it looks horrible, is near useless and takes up a bunch of storage.
I bet that thing is between $125,000 and 150,000 here in the Seattle area. |
Ballast amount seems low for a 24 foot boat
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Yes, a "surfing machine", yet still rivals the X star wakeboarding wake...... Complete with terrible grammar and all! At this point I wish surfing would be on the chopping block to be made illegal. |
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Surfer dudes usually sleep in later than wake boarders.LOL
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The interior looks small for a 24 ft. boat, as well as being quite heavy (5350#). I do like the lines on the boat though.
http://vimeo.com/69026840 |
After watching the video with Zane I really like almost the entire boat except the weird seating layout and the tower. That and of course the crazy price tag I am sure. I like the overall lines, the initial design of the hull, the large bow(I actually like the ratio of seating in the bow to cockpit more than the boats like the 247 that have a overly huge cockpit and tiny bow).
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Love the look of the boat, hate the rear seat layout. To me its extra frustrating to watch these guys not be able to learn from others mistakes, ie nautique 220 and 07 210 with the hump in the rear seat. Why does MC think they can make it work?
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Where's the trash can and built-in ice chest?
Honestly though, I like it, even the seating. We never fill up our storage locker unless we have the extra bags full. |
Whats the price tag?
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I like it. Good combo of many of the features found on other MC's.
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I don't get their thoughts on the weird seating layout. In the video Zane says they wanted to get boat passengers to be able to interact with the surfers better but with the design the person sitting in the back corner has to be facing forward or twisted around weird in an uncomfortable position to interact with the rider. It seems like a good idea with poor execution. Kind of sounds like an engineer's idea that looks ok on paper but in real world use it doesn't work as good. I guess you could say the boat might fit another couple of people but who really needs more room on a 24.5' open bow boat?
I have no idea how much space their is above the engine but with boats these days getting bigger/deeper I wonder if a better alternative is to have the traditional 'U' shaped wrap around and have the sundeck sit a foot or so below the outer deck? Then you would have an entire(one level) back deck that goes all the way to the transom and the width of the boat but would have a foot tall wrap around so you are kind of in the boat? I am not sure if I communicated that idea that well but if you look at an MB for example there is at least a foot between the sunpad and the top of the engine. If they kept the deck exactly as is but dropped that sunpad a foot would that give them an area that could be lounged on but also sat on while surfing? I am not sure if that would be considered in the boat for legal purposes but if it could be that would be awesome. They could also incorporate some angled pads around the outside so you have a headrest kind of like you were in a lounger. |
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Looks like they went backwards, not forwards. Think back, this is simply a new twist of early v-drives and jets. Dumb idea imo but hey i'm sure they'll sell 'em.
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Die hard wakeboarders don't buy X45's. X45 is for families, and with board racks and all the under-seat storage there is really no need for the traditional locker space found under 'rear' deck. Makes sense to be able to creat more seat space, and gives people 2 more spaces to actually recline/lounge. Am looking forward to seeing it in person. The new MC's with their 'hips' actually look great in the water, they were not as nice looking on a trailer/showroom.
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Regarding the rear seating, this is what Jason at MC had to say about it on TT:
Good question about the seating in the back. Two reasons. One, with the popularity of surfing we discovered that people were often sitting on the sunpad to interact with the rider. We wanted to have a solution that allowed that interaction but legally. Second, we wanted to provide a lounge area in the back that was much like the bow in terms of its relaxing, lounge feel. Often when people go to the back of the boat to sit, they have to stretch out in other people's seats or place their feet on the floor. We wanted to provide a solution that gave even those in the rear of the boat an area to hang and relax. We did not have to look very far as we had already executed that design with the 214v so we opted to use that here. I have sat in that seat a few times and it is an amazing creature comfort to have... give me a beverage, that seat and I am beyond relaxed. Don't know if that helps or not. Jason |
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It's actually and interesting business question, actually... do you think that sort of unconventional seating will gain more boat sales than it will lose? My guess is that it will become a polarizing feature and more people will shy way from it than those who will see and agree with MC's logic. People are flexible, pliable creatures. Give me a big, soft, wrap around lounge and I guarantee you I'll get plenty comfortable with my beverage of choice. Everybody's got an opinion, right? Well that's mine. |
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-I don't see how you can interact with a rider when you're facing forward and they are 16' away. I had it going on in my closed bow Falcon Vee!
-Was rocking a CATS system on her too...man that thing was 2014 leading edge technology! Should have kept it ;) |
That looks awefull! I like what they were attempting to do, but IMO its the worst design on the market.
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Those seats suck
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The death of the sunpad on newer boats is criminal.
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To everyone complaining about the seats, what are your thoughts on how Tige does the same thing (albeit less pronounced) with their new products? (R20, RZR, Z3, Z1, etc)
I ask because when I talked to Tony Fussel with Tige, and he said the split configuration on the rear bench has being amazingly popular with the boat buying public; and that all their new products would have it. This was back when the RZR/R20 came out, and clearly he wasn't lying. I am asking for opinions mainly because it seems Tige can do no wrong in the minds of the masses on this board. I just want to see if Tige's split back bench is a sore spot in design as well... |
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Tigé has just improved its boats and reacting to what the customers and market demand over the years. |
The complaining about surfing is in fact useless, but that won't stop me from doing it (complaining that is). I agree with the history of new sports interrupting the older ones.
on Victoria slough in the delta, 20 wakeboarding boats can have a great time, at the same time. OR, one wakesurf boat can have a good time, and make the water useless for anything but surfing and tubing. Are they entitled? Totally. But do I still hate it? Absolutely. |
Our first one will be here Tuesday so i will get it unwrapped, drive and try it out, and post pics and give the low down... The X-45 has been our best seller here for the last 4 or 5 years so it will be interesting to see if the 46 continues the popularity of the 24 ft family boat here.
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Matt, I think you basically answered your own question and not the reason the overly sensative MC owner above posted. The Tige version of it is a lot less pronounced. That said I personally still don't like it on the tige or any other boat that has it. I just don't like that you can basically only sit(comfortably) facing forward in those types of seats. With a "normal" wrap around you can sit with your back to the transom so you are facing forward, you can sit with your back to the side of the boat so you are facing the other side or you can sit anywhere between.
As for what the Tige person said who knows. He could of just been blowing smoke. I can tell you from working boat shows, talking with boat reps and other dealers/salespeople that they would never stretch the truth to make their situation look better and by that I mean they absolutely do that. I have no idea if Tony was but it definitely wouldn't be surprising. Just like an owner defending their purchase a boat rep has to defend the boat they make a living off of. |
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I agree I am not a big fan of splitting the rear bench up, but it must have some merit if it has been a successful feature for Tige and now MC is doing it. I just remember Nautique getting slammed for it on the 220 and first year second gen 210; I wonder what has changed? (Based on how physically big these wake boats have gotten and the more advanced interior setups, I honestly believe the 220 was a boat way ahead of its time) |
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No sense in denying that WW has an overabundance of MC hate. Everyone knows it does. I would tend to agree that the seats wouldn't be my favorite feature on the X46. But I have never sat in them.... As far as star vs 46, I am guessing that the Star has 2x the storage, and about 30% less interior space. It would be cool to see them side by side with an overhead view though. |
Comparing that seating to the Tige is crazy. I just went and check my RZR in the garage. There is zero set back on the lower cushion and a whole 4 inch's on the seat backs. How is that even comparable?
Tige is not splitting the rear seating area. I wouldn't own one if they were. Its 4 inches to make a little deeper more comfortable seat. |
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You Tige guys are too much. Does the chip on your shoulder come before or after you buy the boat? |
Amen J-rod.
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Very ugly styling, and not crazy about the interior design as compared to a traditional wraparound layout. Don't like the new goofy rigid/sharp lines on these latest towers either. I'm sure it throws a great wake but the styling is not appealing at all to me.
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Tige got bashed 10 years ago for having some crappy boats (I had one of that era and loved it, no problems..) I don't think people decided to hate on Tige just for fun, there were reasons behind it and it was probably warranted. MC, nautique, and Malibu (the big 3) are getting pounded because of price tag.... for good reason. MB gets hammered because they appear to pay a bunch of people to flood the forums anytime negative MB comments are made, using the same talking points over and over. Or they flood the forums with EVERY SINGLE "which boat" thread trying to sell MB to the OP's, even if the OP is specifically looking for a boat that has no letter "m" in the name. Wether they are getting paid or just uber loyal owners, it got crazy for a while and MB got pounded for it.... for good reason. MC gets hammered lately because of so many reasons... especially any of their boats besides the 04-12 xstar or the new x-25. 2 boats they seem to have got right, and the xstar of that era is a rockstar to this day. The rest of their boats just dont seem to make sense. they do wierd things with their towers and layouts of the interior. The new xstar is a disappointment, and its rival the G23/25 is absolutely destroying the xstar, getting better reviews in what appears to be all categories. There appears to be no good reason to buy a mastercraft these days... other than to be able to say "i have a mastercraft" or if you care nothing of wake/wave or ride and really just like the way it looks. Yes their build quality is great, so is malibu and nautique and most others. Their material is great... so are the others. There new motors are probably great, but so are indmar and PCM. For the same price or less, you can have a the same or better wake, interior lay out and use of space, tower, dash and drivers helm, and warranty in a boat that can turn well.... by going with another brand. I don't hate MC, I would take a set happily behind any of their models, but imo I don't see one boat I would buy in their line up, yet I will be told by their salesmen how crappy every other boat manufacturer is and why I should not buy one of those. For these reasons, and more, MC is getting an "over abundance of hate".... imo, rightfully so. |
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With all that said I am not trying to say Mastercraft is doing the wrong thing. They may very well have made a good business decision by trying to make their boats be more of a vdrive runabout than a true world championship towboat. I am not sure how their newer boats are performing but they also appear to be extremely well built and luxuries Vdrives with average wake and handling performance. You also have to realize that this is not say that they suck and are terrible performers but that they don't seem to keep up in comparison to their competitors. Most Malibu's, Nautique's, MB's, the new Supra's and probably even the Tige's seem to all exceed comparable Mastercraft's in wake performance. I know when I sold Mastercraft's in 2007 Malibu's drove circles around Mastercraft's. Do their newest boats handle any better than the old one's? Anyways, I am sure some won't like that opinion but whatever. IT may not have at all been their vision but to me they are concerned more about appealing to the average potential buyer(upper class family that wants the coolest/most luxurious wakeboard boat who is also looking at runabouts) than the core wakeboarder/surfer. It they did do that on purpose it is probably the correct business decision as the runabout market absolutely dwarfs the inboard towboat market. |
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Maybe chip is the wrong phrase, maybe just call it uptight? ;) I just feel bad boardman didn't get his price tag question answered, he did ask twice. I am sure he is actually interested in price, he isn't just looking to mock or complain once he finds out... :rolleyes: |
I don't think anyone except maybe you have a chip on their shoulder. I was simply stating that having a little 4 inch set back is far different then having seats that are easily an entire seat length back. Guess its the same. I don't think it is, if you do thats fine. If the shoe fits...lace it up!
I'm curious as to the price because like most are implying MC's pricing is out of this world to the average buyer. Thanks for keeping track of my posts..... |
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