This boat is pure eye candy with innovations and features to the max- <BR> <BR>Love the new interiors... <BR> <BR>Bravo MC for hitting this one out of the park!! <BR> <BR><a href="http://mastercraft.com/" target="_blank">http://mastercraft.com/</a>

great job Mastercraft! Boat looks incredible!

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYeo9m_J8Ts" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYeo9m_J8Ts</a> <BR> <BR>Youtube video. The boat looks great. I have a feeling this could be their new best seller. <BR> <BR>Death of the Xstar????

Wow, I am not a big Mastercraft fan but this boat is amazing. If I was in the market for a new boat, this would get a strong consideration.

Very nice. Is this the first it's been shown? If so, kind of odd to hold out till December, but Boat Show season is right around the corner.

It was pretty funny. I actually got the email about it and ran into Darren who runs the Seattle Mastercraft dealer about 10 minutes later. He let me know they are going to have one for the boat show in Seattle. I am definitely checking that out. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by polarbill on December 23, 2009)

Very nice............ looking forward to seeing it in person at the Seattle show!

We'll have one at the Minneapolis Boat Show!

Cal, will you be taking one in black or red?

Haha... I wondered how long it would take. <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0>

Anybody coming to the VIP night of the Seattle boat show? If you need an invite I've got them.

any idea on $$$$ <BR> <BR>isn't the X-star 22'5/6"

MC's specing the X-25 at 21'6" long and 102" wide the X-Star is 22'3" and 100" wide.

Nick, <BR> <BR>Exactly what I was thinking. MC makes too many boats IMO.

They do have a lot of boats. I think it is about time to kill off the 205v hull for good. Maybe they could sell the mold to a company like Standard Boats but I don't know if it is a good idea to sell that to another manufacturer. If the 225 really is only 21'6" then I wonder if they keep the X15. That was a pretty popular boat I think.

Hmm kinda looks like MC's version of CC 230, not bashing MC, first thing that came to mine when I seen the email.

If this thing has the wake of the CSX 220, I will have one!

If anything a 210 crusher same length. If the wake is as good as the 210 with stock ballast I would lean heavily mc. To date the best wake without ballast and stock ballast I have ridden. Hopefully some csx guys will step up and talk about the wake. Long live the 205v I own an xstar of that model.

Adam, do another all white boat. Your X2 is one of my favorites.

I am not a big MC fan, but that is a very nice family boat with a great wake. Personally, I am very curious to how nice the surf wake.

Why kill the 205V hull? I don't know what their sales figures look like across the lines, but there are others I would knock out of the line up before the 205. That is an ideal platform from which to build an entry level ride. <BR> <BR>Off topic, but any fall out from the ill fated Rewards program MC had last year at the boat shows???? Haven't heard what happened to all those people with vouchers...I'm sure MC would rather not resurrect the topic, but I'm kind of curious.

Ugh, the bow is horrible. Looks like a bubble. Not a fan.

I'm surprised this boat is only 21'6". That puts it in X-15 territory. I wonder if MC has thoughts of removing the X-15 and X-30 from the line-up now that they have the X-25 and X-35, both on the CSX hull which seems to get rave reviews... <BR> <BR>(Message edited by phenom_1819 on December 23, 2009)

They really need to get rid of the X30 if they haven't already. <BR> <BR>I only say get rid of the 205V because that simply isn't what people are looking for these days. They also aren't an entry level builder. It is also built different than any other boat they make besides the 197. In 2007 when I sold Mastercrafts I think we sold one 205V the whole year and it was a left over 2006 that was being sold for real cheap. That was between 2 or 3 different MC dealers. <BR> <BR>It would be pretty cool if Standard bought the original SAN 210 and 205V molds. Then they could make entry level 2001's, 205V's and SAN's. Maybe even buy the original VLX mold. <BR> <BR>Back to the X25 though. I really like the rear facing seats. Even though it is illegal to sit in them while under way they would be perfect for sitting in while surfing.

I wish MC would come up with a better naming system. It is a pain trying to remember what all the numbers corespond to. It is just getting more confusing with each model.

WOW! This boat is amazing! the rear facing transom seats are the most useful and innovative ideas I've seen implemented into wakeboats in a while. I can only imagine how expensive this is going to be though. <BR> <BR>It looks like someone put all the best features from other boat makers into this boat. It has everything except a wedge!

I'm proud to say that our group down at fanfair this fall was the first ever to drive and ride the X25. All I can say is "wow". Our time in boat was rushed due to the rainy weather but we managed to get in a few sets each. With only the stock ballast, the wake was awesome. One of our riders is the biggest wake snob you'll ever meet and he gave it 2 thumbs up. I can go on on about this boat.. By far the best stock wake I've ever rode

Thanks Brett! It's for sale by the way. Looking forward to building an X25 on the MC website...even though I can't afford one right now. <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/angry.gif" border=0>

(To Myself) John, you just bought a boat...........But..........But............that thing is amazing. I swore no more new boats for quite a while but man.................

In a word... Wow, I was pretty sure my next boat was going to be a 55, but now I will have to give this boat a serious shake down... Great Job MasterCraft!!! I showed the wife the video and all she could say about all the great features and conveniences was, wow, we’ve got to have one of those!!! Guess I will have to have a great 2010 sales year boys... Now that’s motivation!!!

Come on Dee Cee - get your order in NOW!!!

Its the same hull as the CSX 220 which has an Awesome wake.

Cal - X35 on a CSX hull - is that right?

This is a complete guess but I think that the 25, 35 and 55 are all probably based on a hull similar to the CSX. Since MC says the X25 is on the CSX hull I would say the 35 and 55 are based on bigger versions of the hull?

Hopefully one of the MC guys will chime in. I'm still a Supra guy. ;) But I'm reasonably sure I've read or heard that the X-35 is based on the CSX hull... Unfortunately, searching past threads isn't helping me verify. <BR> <BR>EDIT: Brett, looks like we were posting at the same time. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by phenom_1819 on December 24, 2009)

watching the utube clip makes me wonder... i think zane will be the new billy mays.

Can't wait to ride this boat this spring. I loved the wake on the CSX 220, but the interior layout just wasn't for me. I think the X-Star will still be their core wakeboard boat, but it will be interesting to compare sales figures in '10 to '08 and '09 to see which boats sell the best.

I will have one, this is the perfect boat for my needs.

will there be a saltwater version of this?

Tristan, they will definitely have a saltwater version of it. They have a saltwater version of pretty much every boat they make.

Most dealers should be getting them in for the January shows. I am very excited to see this boat in person, and hopefully get to demo it eventually (nothing but +++ about the wake STOCK, something rare for a MC).

I would like to know if all three are based on the CSX hull also.

Ummmmmm if I am not mistaken it says right in the video that it is based on the CSX hull no?

My conversation with my deal is it IS the CSX 220 hull

the video says it is, and if you look at the specs, they're identical to the CSX... basically, they took the CSX and gave it a wakeboat interior...

CSX hull on a wakeboat interior is a winner. <BR> <BR>I've ridden the CSX (the smaller one) and it was one of the best wakes I've ever been on. <BR> <BR>I shiver just thinking of the price tag on this new one, but it looks like they've got a good one. <BR> <BR>I could see the X-15 and X-30 going away soon.

So any bets as to how long it will take for someone to either slide off one of those back seats while underway? Or get a ticket for sitting there while surfing/boarding?

The one thing the X15 has going for it is the non-picklefork. Some people really like the traditional bow as opposed to the pickle fork. The X-30 should definitely be removed from the lineup.

NAW do you know how it compares to the new SAN210?

tampawake- not particularily, its been awhile. The CSX I rode behind had a ton of people in it, and the new 210 I rode in had just 2 people and factory ballast. Not really a fair comparison.

Thanks man buddy has a 210 with factory ballast would say its the most impressive wake I have been on with stock ballast. I think only 500 - 700 lbs. That is.

Cool features in a lot of places. The deep vee should really help the surf wake. I wonder if you can get much extra ballast in it though, given that the rear compartments look fairly small.

The openings for the rear compartments are small but I am not sure the actual compartments are that small. I would think you could get at least 500 in each rear locker.

I'm digging it. Looks like a boat that might actually give the MB widebody a fair comparison. It'll be interesting to see how it's priced. Does anyone know if Chicago MC will have one on hand at the McCormick Center?

I am guessing an MSRP in the 90-100k range when equipped nicely and a real world selling price of 75-85.

sweetness

Bruce, I want to see you pick up one of those in all white.

brett so do i <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0>

Cincinnati Mastercraft will have one at their show in Jan.

Awesome Mastercraft keeps making boats for the common man.

Brett- <BR>No X25 for Chicago.

^^That sucks. it looks like a great new addition to the MC lineup. (like mastercraft doesn't have enough in the X-series already) When is the Chicago boat show this year? I went for the first time last year and loved it. I hope I can go back this year.

A boat for the common man would not cost 75K+

I think Tampa was being sarcastic... And I don't think mc has ever claimed to make boats for the common man. MC has strived to be best in class. Hard to do both at the same time.

Here are the base MSRP’s according to the Waterski Mag 2009 Boat Review issue: <BR> <BR>X-2 = $65k <BR>CSX 220 = $68k <BR>X-15 = $69k <BR>X-35 = $78k <BR>x-Star = $80k <BR> <BR>My guess is somewhere in the low 70s?

Mike, you are probably correct with the low to mid 70's base MSRP. Now start adding stuff at MSRP prices. <BR> <BR>Trailer-8,000 <BR>MCX-2000 <BR>LY6-An additional 3-5k above the MCX I am guessing <BR>Bimini-700 <BR>cover-700 <BR>heater-700 <BR>fiberglass platform-700 <BR>bow filler cushion-500 <BR>one set of tower speakers with lights-2200 <BR>additional set-2200 <BR>tower mirror arm-300 <BR>shower-700 <BR> <BR>If you take a base MSRP of 73k that comes to 92900 plus freight, prep, tax, license. Now that is for a 100% loaded boat. But if you got 10% off the 92900 that give you around 83k plus freight,prep, tax and license. <BR> <BR>I think if you got one with an MCX, teak deck, bimini, heater, tandem trailer and cover but with no tower speakers, shower, bow filler cushion, tower lights, underwater lights, etc you could probably get one for about 75-78k at peak season. That is just a guess though.

There will be an X-25 at the Minneapolis Boat Show!

Excited to see it Corey. <BR> <BR>What time are the rail jams starting?

$8,000 for a trailer is just insane. I was pissed 5 years ago when I had to pay $4,800 for a trailer <BR> <BR>(Message edited by liveoz on December 31, 2009)

Not sure what time the shows will be at, we are enlisting some riders but the jam itself is being hosted by Step Up. We are working on getting Erik Ruck or JD Webb up for the jam.

The X25 is the only boat sharing the same hull as the CSX. The X35 is completely different. The X25 is an amazing boat, it has so much more interior room and storage than most of its competition and the wake for once is awesome with stock ballast. I have spent quite a bit of time in the CSX and the ride it gives you in choppy water is quite comfortable compared to most. Its very soft when hitting big rollers, it doesnt feel like you just broke the stringers or your kidneys when pounding through them. I think the X25 is going to take over being the top seller over the X2. <BR>Hopefully Zane will have one at home so we can play with it for a while.

It wont take over if its 25 to 30k more than the X2. Not everyone is sponsored or bringing down 200,000 a year to afford a 75 to 85k boat. No matter how good it is.

^^ finally an answer to my question ^^ <BR> <BR>Thanks Billy

tampawake, the XStar is in 2nd place as far as sales go and it is quite a bit more money than the the X2. I hear what your saying, but I dont think price will have as much to do with it as we think. (unfortunately) <BR>As far as 20K-30K more, I doubt it will be that much. Probably more along the line of 10k-15k more. <BR>Its quite a bit more boat size wise, its a 1ft &amp; half longer and 6" wider. The width is where all the extra room comes from.

For 10-15k more than the X2 I could see a lot of people stepping up to this boat over the X2 unless they have space issues. It looks like a lot more boat than the X2.

So what are we expecting a normally outfitted X-25 will go for?

I can not wait to see this boat in person. I wonder if Inland NW MC will have one at the boat show?

I just became a dealer for Mastercraft. Saw the X-25 at factory Perfect would be the word.They thought everything out. When you guys go to the show check out the new toys. Big screen dash, plug and play ballast,camera and surf tabs. Its ready.

Does anyone have any pictures of this boat besides the YouTube of Zane?

Ken, plug and play ballast? That is very intriguing. Did they have dual rear and a front? <BR> <BR>If you load one out with plug and play ballast, camera, surf tabs, bimini, tower mirror arm, cover, fiberglass platform, bow filler cushion, heater, shower, binding blaster, 4 tower speakers w/ lights, rear facing lights and ly6 I could see this boat selling for over 100k.

Would that be the only $100k+ 21' wakeboat on the water?

Keep it up MC I guess that just keeps the sale price of my XStar (205v).

700 for a shower, 700 for a heater, 500 foir a cushion, 2200 for two speakers and lights, wow what a ripoff

$100k wake boats.... what a joke. Isn't this a down economy? Aren't people still losing their houses? What happened to making more affordable boats? <BR>Sorry, ain't gonna happen at my house unless we win the lottery sometime soon.

It is a joke but looks like MC has gone the way of upper end Mercedes, BMW etc. This is the segment of the market they are attacking. Upper middle class and above as well as people willing to sell their soul to HUGE payments over 15 years. High quality products with a name your willing to pay for. Nothing wrong with it. I drive a toyota and own a 2002 x star. Probably start seeing more start ups or middle class boats doing better with less bling and great wake(axis,moomba,ride series,tige z series etc). It will hurt the dealers more than anything smaller market to attack with the same amount of dealers. There will need to be even more attrition with production being cut as well. That being said people love checking out Lamborghini Ferrari lotus etc.

Keep in mind when I listed those prices earlier that that that is a close guesstimate of the MSRP prices. I would expect to pay 10-20% off of those when actually purchasing the boat. I also am not stating those or the 100k is actually what they will cost. I am making a guess based on my past working welling MC. In 2007 the numbers I was throwing out are pretty close to what MC lists as MSRP for the options. Someone mentioned the 8k for the trailer was nuts but I would at all be surprised if their listed MSRP for a tandem trailer with LED's and 4 wheel disc brakes is about 10k. I want to say when I was selling that a typical charge was 1500-1700 for Tower Speakers with lights. I could be wrong though. <BR> <BR>Another thing to keep in mind is that there is no such thing as a stripped down X series MC. The swivel racks, Jl components, amp, sub, PP are all standard on the X series. <BR> <BR>Mastercraft isn't in the business of selling affordable boats. They are in the business of selling whatever makes them the most money. Here is a good example of when I was selling them. I sold a custom order 100% loaded Prostar 197(best looking boat I sold). Most of the custom orders took 4-6 weeks to get to our dealership if I remember correctly and sometimes you could get them sooner if you already had a manufacturing spot in line that was coming up soon. Anyways I told the customer we usually see 4-6 weeks but it could be a little longer. I turned in the order to my boss at the end of feb. or early march. He was expecting to have his boat in early may. Well that didn't happen. MC kept pushing his build date back because they weren't building any other 197's or they had so many orders for more expensive Vdrives even though Cope's should of had a spot in line that should have been used to build this boat. My customer didn't get his boat till the 4th of July or maybe even after that. It took 4-5 months for him to get his boat. I suppose it could of been Frank or Bob Cope telling MC to hold off on building it because they wanted them to build the more expensive 45's and stars but that doesn't make any sense as this guy was ready to buy his boat the second it came in.

I hate to start negative talk, but geez, there's no innovation in this thing and that's the big claim. <BR> <BR>Arm rests in the bow? Just waiting for a 12 year old to sit on and break. <BR>Flip up rear seats? I've never thought, "Gosh it would be nice to have a back rest while putting on my wakeboard". Seems like a storage space reducer and limits access to the storage. <BR> <BR>I do like the gas springs on all the hatches, but why didn't they do that with the cooler seat? My drunk pal is gonna snap that thing off after he gets his beer and tries pushing the seat down. <BR> <BR>Same ol' tower.... <BR> <BR>But, with that said, It's all about the wake for me. So, I defilitely wouldn't pass up a ride behind one:-)

Tuneman- The armrests are built pretty darn well, I think if a twelve year old sat on one he would be an idiot (I wasn't that stupid when I was 12). Also, when hanging out and lounging around (what alot of MC owners do, not everyone is a hardcore wake enthusiast), those back seats will be handy, and wives and daughters LOVE sunpads/areas to lay out on. Also, they still have the same access to the storage compartment, and actually made it easier by being able to grab a vest or a rope without having to lift up a 1/3 of the rear sunpad area, now you have an access hatch.

Brett here goes hope this help on plug and play.the MSRP for BOAT ONLY $78,800.00. <BR>Plug N’ Play Ballast Overview <BR> <BR>As you know, MasterCraft has been working on engineering a secondary ballast system that works in conjunction with our existing factory ballast system. Here is an explanation of the Plug N’ Play Ballast system and the depth of engineering involved in making it a reality. <BR> <BR>The Plug N’ Play Ballast system gives you the ability to mix and match ballast loads. By operating the ballast selection switch you can fill either tanks separately, bags separately, or both tanks and bags. You can also fill right side tanks and bags or left side tanks and bags to work in conjunction with surf tabs for killer surf wakes. <BR> <BR>The heavy duty valves and valve indicator selection switches are all actuated electronically and do not require manual selection. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>The circuit boards that control this system is proprietary to MasterCraft and has been waterproofed with a potted resin material. The result is a system that will be durable in the harshest of weather conditions including saltwater use. <BR> <BR>In engineering the system, MasterCraft worked directly with Fly High to develop customized ballast bags which fit neatly in the storage areas. The rear bags take into consideration such factors as bulkhead dimensions and the raw water strainer location of each specific model. The forward bags take into consideration the dimensions of the storage area under the seats and obstructions such as stereo amplifiers and wiring. But the most important consideration in developing these additional ballast bags is engineering them to work within the Maximum Capacity of each MasterCraft model in which they are equipped.

Forgot to say the bags DO NOT come from Mastercraft.

Yup, and it's MSRP. If you pay MSRP for a boat in these times you're a fool and your dealer sucks. MC had plug n' play in some of their later 09's I though? I forget about that. <BR> <BR>Also, if you opt to get the plug n' play on top of factory ballast and then fill the boat up with some people I am pretty sure you exceed the maximum weight that the boat is supposed to carry (which is the way it should be).

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Mastercraft is giving the numbers for weight with the system

That is pretty cool if they are including that on every Mastercraft or at least the Xseries.

They are getting it out on certain models after they do testing. The X80 and X55 wont get it not enough room to make difference. Most of the Xseries coming out now I think you can get it on.

Maybe I am a idiot, but by plug and play do you mean you can easily "plug" as opposed to "plumb" in new ballast bags? I will be livid if so, seeing as installation of my fly high kit was not cheap.

Tuneman says, "I hate to start negative talk, but geez, there's no innovation in this thing and that's the big claim." <BR> <BR>This coming from a guy that is on a kneeboard in his profile pic. Wasnt kneeboarding popular in 1982? Oh and has an Epic with a 1995 Volvo Penta and a bow that looks like it should have a 15hp kicker on it.<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/rofl.gif" border=0> <BR>Just messin with ya.<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" border=0>

yep all ready plumbed to go.

Seattle is getting it's first X25 January 18th!! Anyone what to go for a ride?

Yeah, I will go for a ride in it but I am not sure I want to get in the water, even though I have a drysuit. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by polarbill on January 07, 2010)