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also, I see it as a different situation. Cops/guards/SRO (whatever the hell that is) should be INSIDE where the kids are, not outside scratching their asses wondering what they're gonna have for breakfast after the 1st bell rings. |
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I was surprised by these numbers. Just 3% own half the guns.
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Who’d a thunk it. No guns ...............still epidemic violence! What could the common link be? https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/594781...hnic-breaches/ |
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Add one more to “accidental” gun deaths across America
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A zero gun policy means nothing if you can drive to the neighboring state and pick up whatever guns you'd like in less than 2 hours. It needs to be federally mandated for it to have any meaning.
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Ha ha, I'm just messing with you. Its such a complicated issue, I don't think some guys on the internet are going to get to the bottom of it.
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Here some more stats of London vs NYC
Crime statistics also suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery. London also has almost three times the number of reported rapes. Guess those guns do make you safer? |
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The article is two fold. The focus was stupid liberal policies that allow crime and criminals to flourish. The caveat here is that violent crime will simply happen because people are bad, not because people have guns like the left wants you to believe . It’s front and center proof that crime is related to people not guns. While we talk mass shootings , they talk mass bombings . Same outcomes different methodology . |
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This discussion is stupid . Drugs are illegal and the opiate epidemic is worse then its ever been so laws clearly dont work if they did Chicago would not have near the deaths they have especially on the south side . Guns don't kill crybaby kids that aren't part of the ''in'' crowd do . Kids that feel like outcasts kill, kids that play too much COD and GTA kill . Kids whose parents aren't no where near involved enough kill. Kids with known mental issues and no facility's to house these crazy little rejects is a bigger problem then the gun itself . One more thing if you don't like the laws of the land the very laws that got us to this point which is better then most other country's in the WORLD then go live in one of those country's . This is America we are held together by the constitution if your are too blinded by the BS agenda to realize your right to free speech the right you invoke to spew this crap about gun control is next on the chopping block you are part of the problem. How will you feel when everything you type doesn't fit the lefts algorithm and your speech gets censored or shut down. Facebook Twitter and Instagram already sensor your speech the elitist left wing media already sensors what you hear and how you hear it . Dont be a sheep do your own research and quit spewing what CNN told you was the truth . CNN lies too
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1. How to you measure that the US is better than most other countries? We are 14th in education We are number 35 in under 5 mortality. We are number 211 in infant mortality Even USNews (who is clearly gonna be biased for the US) ranks us as #8 best country. 2. With regard to your "go live somewhere else comment": No. my stuff is here. Quote:
Guns are fun. I like guns, its fun. However the fact that anyone can buy them anywhere is a problem. Is having to wait a month for a decent sanity/criminal check to high a price to pay to save kids lives? I like wakeboarding but if wakeboards were regullarly used to kill a bunch of kids you'd bet your ass I'd be totally cool about having to take a bunch of tests before being able to buy one. Where are your priorities? |
Lets not talk about the shootings stopped by armed guards ./ resource officers. Those will get in the way of the agenda & actually bring a solution to the problem. The left hates solutions unless it involves a lot of dead kids for their agenda
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Ask yourself, what's a quicker more feasible solution; Rounding up fire arms & passing laws or putting armed cops at school entrances? If you're answer is to let the kids die until gun laws are passed then you're part of the problem. At the min you'd think everyone could agree on common sense armed guards in the interim. Unless of course the left is a terrorist organization that loves dead kids? That;s what I keep hearing from the whack jobs on the left about the NRA.
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I'm not saying they're moot... I'm saying they're a poor band-aid to the problem, not addressing the problem itself.
Two things are required to to have a school shooting: 1.) Someone who isn't mentally right wants to hurt classmates 2.) Access to firearms / ability to get them into a school .... if either of the above items aren't present, no shooting occurs. .... To me saying "We're just gunna be ready to shoot the shooter" isn't a good solution, its lazy. I think its universally agreed that any extra measures to keep guns from those who shouldn't have them will NOT effect responsible gun owners, correct? Then why not do those things - even if it stops one shooting, its worth it then right? Those changes can come quickly... while that is happening address the mental health issue. |
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I mean s**t, it's impossible to get by security at my kids high school without shooting at them first. Why people are so against that if they don't their way is just beyond belief. Even if you got your gun laws without a round up of all guns your laws are useless again. Then we have the entire black market. You realize via dark markets you can buy guns, grenades, C4 with bitcoin? How are you gonna stop that? Think it's hard? How many millions of kids figured out how to buy bitcoin, use TOR, find dark markets & order drugs, hackers, hacked credit cards, etc. It's in the millions, it's very easy, Reddit has tutorials for all of it. All of these shootings have been premeditated. You think waiting a few more weeks for your weapon of choice to show up is going to deter them?
You don't think labeling the NRA terrorists while refusing to call actual terrorists terrorists isn't part of the problem? You think the rhetoric from the left is helping with their quest for gun laws? It just makes the other side dig in deeper. No way in hell am I giving anything up with the rhetoric from the left & the death threats & the talk of civil wars & prying weapons from peoples dead hands. I mean again, the logistics of what you want for guns is not going to happen. Secure out damn schools first then lets talk this out till we're blue in the face & find an actual solution, not these knee jerk emotional responses that create meaningless & symbolic laws. |
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Because we all know most schools in the USA have budget surpluses to add metal detectors and pay armed guards. My kids school had a police officer at their school 4 days a week, but not anymore. No money for education, but we should definitely spend more on military and a wall right?
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So you don't like that they call them fiscally responsible but have no issue with the party you support spending irresponsibly? Because they don't call them responsible?
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I would like to think I most closely align with libertarian views ... I'm a big fan of don't spend money you don't have. The debt the Dems ran up is bad, I don't think it should have ever gotten to the level it did, but it worse that the Repbulicans harped on the Dems for 8 straight years about fiscal responsibility and then increased the defect once they got control of all three branches of government. My perfect Presidential ticket would have been Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders .... lets do all we can to help people, but only if we can pay for it. Want free healthcare ... show me a budget that pays for it. Want free college, show me what you're cutting to pay for it. etc etc. Quote:
.... no one here is saying just take the guns and thats the end all be all. Its one piece of the pie. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time... you can't have a shooting without a gun, so that seems like a logical place to start. You can't have a shooting without a crazy person, thats another great place to start. If you're asking me which is easier - somehow decode the brain of a psychopath before they do something terrible, or control the amount of tools available to commit the terrible act the answer seems clear. One is a physical tangible object that can be controlled to some degree if the proper steps are taken, the other is Minority Report without being able to see the future. My gun side solution would be this: * Issue a large scale turn in program for firearms... try to reduce the number right off the bat. * Work on creating a registry of every firearm that can be accounted for.... the "unknown" ones will weed out over time. If you are caught with an unregistered weapon, you lose your right to own them going forward. * This registry also helps know if someone beats their wife, that the police should be collecting firearms from him.... weapons should not be grandfathered in. * Any sale or transfer on this registry, PvP, Gun Show, Dealer, etc etc gets a check before the transfer is approved. * Mandatory passing of some sort of gun safety class before being able to buy a gun should be required too - active duty service, police force, etc would also count. * If John Doe owns gun X123 and sells it to Garry Guns and then Garry shoots up a school if John followed the proper channels, no worries. If John didn't and that gun is still tied to him on the registry, he is charged as an accomplice to that crime.... this helps assure the process is followed. .... accountability needs to be stuck squarely on the shoulders of the "good guy" gun owners. Its their right to own one, but with that right comes incredible responsibility. And if you're truly a good guy gun owner, this shouldn't bother you. A lot less guns would be easy to get to by kids if the parents knew they would be sitting in jail for their kid's crime(s). |
"Holy **** dude, the projection is amazing. I honestly would love to spend 15 minutes in your brain just to see if I could handle it. "
It would be like the shallow end of the pool. Dull and uninteresting. |
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Seems to me Wake your issue is the bulge in conservatives girls pants are guns while the bulge in your girls pants is a penis. |
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I am all for a police liaison in school, heck bring in the national guard and have someone pulling security... but thats a band aid. It doesn't stop the problem, it just hopefully reduces the headcount when something ****ty happens. As a temporary solution until major gun reform and mental health issues can be addressed, I'm all for it. With that said, I don't think arming teachers is a good idea... if someone is in that school as a guard I would want that to be their primary focus; school defense after multiplication tables is a bad idea. |
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Exit, bad idea on if there is another emergency. I don't want to funnel 1500 kids through a single exit in a fire. Or if the shooter gets in and pull the fire alarm he will have 1500 kids rushing to exactly where he is standing and everyone is trapped like a rat. Metal detects is a fine idea too, but there is inherently a lot of things kids need in their bags that would set those off, so getting in and out of school each day turns into TSA at the airport. Also there is a cost associated with installing those in every school in the country... I'm personally A-OK with my taxes going to up help public education, but my guess is there will be outrage. |
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I don't think local taxes should pay for these security upgrades, the Feds should & should do it now. Unconstitutional for Trump to try & sign gun laws you guys want, fully with-in his power to fully fund this program with a stroke of a pen. |
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But please tell me more about armed guards and metal detectors. Metal detectors is the DUMBEST thing I've heard today. These guys are not trying to sneak the guns in they are shooting their way in. How is a metal detector gonna do jack? |
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Name one shooting where the kid snuck a gun into school. For that matter how do you sneak a shotgun or AK in a backpack? You and the NRA are coming up with stupid ideas like clear backpacks, metal detectors, banning trenchcoats because you don't want to give up your stupid toys. Face the real issue and face it today. All these other ideas are bandaids on a gigantic gushing wound. |
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Your break down on violent video games is BS too . You dont think these outcast kids dont sit and play these games until they are numb enough to the on screen killing that it makes it easier to play out in reality ? How do I measure the US is better ..Go away with that crap I dont see the amount of Americans moving abroad as I do coming in . DO YOU ? |
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Phlorns large labia prevents him from seeing it any way but his own. And as you can see the air is really thin on that pedestal he puts himself on. |
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School shootings are becoming the norm but I think it has more to do with mental health, bullying, fatherless homes, motherless homes, lack of compassion, and essentially a societal issue. Believe me, I wish it were the guns, I wish it were that easy, I wish we could write a few laws and fix it, but unfortunately it is much worse than this. |
The war on the second amendment will ultimately negatively effect minorities more than anyone else too. Bet.
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Anyone who cares to check on their free time. Get an IP blocker, download TOR, make an account at any dark net market (reddit has full on tutorials) & see for yourself just how flipping easy it is to get fire arms. Grenades & C4 not so much anymore, but pistols & rifles all day long. You think your USPS is catching this stuff? Do you know how many drugs are mailed daily? How easy it is, the stealth the sellers use, the fact that billions of packages move everyday & it's damn near impossible to catch even 99% of the illegal sales.
And Time is exactly right, we could get weed, coke & meth quicker than we could booze. They still sold minors cigarettes back then when we'd say "our mom wants a pack of camels". For some reason lefties are just fine with mass stabbings, vehicle attacks, clobbering people to death but those pesky fire arms. You know why we don't suffer like the people in the UK do? Cause there's a fair assumption when thinking about attacking someone they may be armed here. In the UK they know damn well they aren't so it's open season. |
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Shooting people in the face is already illegal. Why can't we own guns and obey the laws in place.
Speeding is illegal, how about we make cars that are capable of speeding also illegal. Cats out of the bottle man. Pandora doesn't go back into the box. |
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Actually, they bought back that many weapons. and why not happening here? Apart from the crazed rednecks cold dead hands thing?
Make it illegal to not hand in your guns and the crazy red necks can bury their guns in the back yard. Fine. As soon as they step out of line there is one more thing we can arrest them for. |
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....the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Like chinese food? |
"A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Last I checked the hillbillies that make up half of this country are not a well regulated militia. Have you noticed that it is called an "Amendment" look up what that means. Also, the people that insist we all follow rules that were written in the 18th century should be forced to use the medical care of the 18th century too. |
Your Collective Rights Theory has been stricken down twice in the supreme court.
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I'll explain it like this: The founders said, "In addition to the Constitution, we have several other rights and liberties we'd like to protect, let's call them AMENDMENTS." Do you understand now? |
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I'm a law abiding citizen with a concealed carry license in the State of Louisiana, why should I lose my gun rights because the criminals don't know how to act? At what point do we place blame on the person pulling the trigger, a gun doesn't fire on its own. More people are killed in automobile accidents every year yet your not on WakeWorld trying to ban automobiles. There are certain people that should not be allowed to own guns, but unfortunately, if you block certain people from owning a gun, then its considered discriminatory. :banghead: |
So NZ has just had its first terrorist mass shooting, 30 or 40 dead. Surreal and sad.
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