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By pete martini (martini) on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 2:13 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Contrary to todays Friday flyer paid advertisement section, the Nautique 210 "IS LEGAL" to operate on all waterways of Canyon Lake.As are the 196,206 and 211 models respectively.It is also my understanding that the Tige 21i is legal. I'm not sure about Supra's line, but I'm positive Island Marine would be happy to confirm any questions.
 
By JONb (jonb) on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 2:22 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
so you are saying that certain boats are illegal to use on Canyon Lake that is
 
By pete martini (martini) on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 2:37 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
yep...In accordance with canyon lake POA rules & regulations section 4.20 code B-24 "Boats over twenty-one(21)feet zero (0) inches are prohibited in canyon Lake.
 
By Scott (oshensurfer) on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 3:23 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Don't they have a resctriction of "wake altering devices" also?
 
By Bill Johnson (bigj) on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 4:14 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Im not sure what or where this Canyon lake is, but one of the lakes up here has a 21'0" limit as well and neither one of those boats are permitted.

Last time I checked, the SAN 210 is measured at 21'2" and the Tige 21i is 21'4". Im not sure how math works where you are from, but last time I checked 21'0" does not include 21'2", let alone 21'4".

 
By pete martini (martini) on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 4:23 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
yep, no wake altering devices allowed on the main lake...
 
By pete martini (martini) on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 4:28 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
bill,

have you measured the boats yourself or are you just going off the factory catolog?

the Nautique 210 measures 21'even! gel coat to gel coat...


 
By Bill Johnson (bigj) on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 4:37 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Are you telling me my salesman lied to me!
 
By pete martini (martini) on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 4:38 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
the way Correct Craft measures the boat is from rub rail to rub rail, canyon lake measures gel coat to gel coat...


 
By pete martini (martini) on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 4:42 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Bigj,

where r u from?

 
By Bill Johnson (bigj) on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 5:10 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
OR. My buddy bought one, maybe his is different, (03) but he doesn't have a rear rubrail.
 
By pete martini (martini) on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 5:13 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
nope, his is the same...have him measure from gel coat to gel coat...that hull has been the same since circa '95
 
By Jonathan French (rock_n_boardin) on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 5:26 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Yes on the main lake there is a restriction on "wake altering devices" at Canyon Lake. The backwater where most of the serious boarders ride anyway, does not have a restriction. Or if it does it's not enforced. But with most of the built in ballast systems on boats these days, I don't know how they could tell anyway, unless they were really looking close at you.

But for the good of the people living on the lake it's a good idea not to use ballast on the main lake when the water is really high, like it was at the beginning of last year's season. You can do some damage to their docks and even water front.

 
By Jonathan French (rock_n_boardin) on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 5:27 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
By paid advertisment, do you mean someone paid to advertise that the Nati 210 is not legal there? That is pretty strange. What's the point?
 
By pete martini (martini) on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 5:35 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
yep! thats right somebody paid to advertise this information...ITS JUST AMAZING!
 
By BoobsAREcool (magellan) on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 5:49 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
I think it's funny that the CC hull hasn't changed since '95.

Kind of like the LF trip. It's been the same for years. If it aint broke...don't fix it.

 
By BoobsAREcool (magellan) on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 5:52 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
On another note, If I buy an X-Star and take a chainsaw to the nose, can I bring it to Canyon Lake?
Are there rules about jagged edges hanging off the bow measuring under 21'?

 
By Jeff (socalwakepunk) on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 8:52 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Gonna take a few more hours before I can responsibly comment on this.
 
By actiondcpd (actiondcpd) on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 8:54 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
A couple people have actually chopped the nose off boats at the lagoon in carlsbad... crazy..
 
By BoobsAREcool (magellan) on Saturday, February 21, 2004 - 8:01 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Please help me understand the "paid advertising section"..
Did someone place an ad saying all 210 owners boats are illegal? Seems kind of spineless to me.. I'm not familiar with Canyon Lake but that's the kind of thing that will escort all wakeboard boats off a lake that is regulated such as Canyon.

Good luck to those who live there.

 
By Tom Barnard (tlb) on Saturday, February 21, 2004 - 8:12 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
A buddy of mine lives on a private lake in Auburn, not only are boats above 21' banned so are all v-drives and any ballast whatsoever.
I think this is pretty common on private lakes.

 
By Garett C. (alotta_fagina) on Saturday, February 21, 2004 - 9:51 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Since that is neither your boat nor your lake, then why do you even care?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 210 doesn't have a rear rubrail (to be excluded in gel-gel measurement) because that is where the swim step attaches. I find it hard to believe the front rubrail is 2 inches thick.
The more interesting issue is that the 'industry leading' wakeboard boat is still using 10 year old technology that was developed long before wakeboarding was around. That must be some pretty advanced thinking!

 
By Wake Products (tahoe) on Saturday, February 21, 2004 - 11:02 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Hey Pete or Jeff. Just curious, did Canyon go thru with having boats stickered in the backbay? If so, are the main lake rules going to apply to the back now ?





 
By pete martini (martini) on Saturday, February 21, 2004 - 11:47 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
sorry about that last post...i've been into with this guy before...i should know better...strike it from the record please!
 
By Jeff (socalwakepunk) on Saturday, February 21, 2004 - 12:20 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Save it for another thread, Garrett.

I was really blown away when I heard about the ad. Yes, Canyon Lake is a private community governed by a P.O.A. In addition to wakeboarders here, there are a lot of skiers, golfers, fishermen, tennis players, and other recreational enthusiasts. The demographics range from young families on their first homes to people enjoying their retirement here (not to be morbid, but usually an obit. every week in the paper) There are may rules here, and everyone has to deal with rules that may not make sense to them, but none the less are rules that they agree to abide by when they purchase property here in Canyon Lake. As an example, my son cannot ride his electric scooter because motorized scooters and motorcycles are not allowed on the streets here. It sucks, but we have to deal with it.

The rule we are talking about here is the 21' rule for boats. Used to be enforced real loosely, as long as the registration read 21', any property owner could get a sticker. It was nice because no one had to really worry about it, however, it got to be a problem that people were getting 23 and 24 footers registered here (at least one 24' party cat), probably by altering a copy of the registration. It all kind of came to a head last spring, and the P.O.A. decided the only way to keep it under control was to PHYSICALLY MEASURE each boat.

It was painful at first, and a few of the local dealers had to take back a few new boats last year, but now they all pretty much know which models will be allowed on Canyon Lake, and which models will not. It's not like the dealers want to risk a sale by selling a boat that is too big. Also, we are talking about a 10,000 lot community, and you can't drive down any street here without seeing several boats with towers. I'm looking out my window right now, and I see 3, not counting the SAN in my garage. So it's a pretty big market here.

As far as boat length goes, I too was concerned last year, as I had just sold my old boat, and was ready to order a new SAN 210. The dealer assuerd me that by the P.O.A. guidelines, I would have no problem. Sure enough, the boat measuerd at 20'11" by the P.O.A. No problem. I don't know why the manufacturer list the overall length as 21'02", but I'm guessing it's the same as program stats on a pro athlete. Paul Kariya is 5'11", 190lbs in 4" heels, dripping wet. For the rest of the unregulated world "Hey I'm paying 40k + for a new boat, better 21'2" than 20'11""

So here is the half page paid advertisement that ran yesterday:

ATTENTION BOAT BUYERS;

In accordance with Canyon Lake POA rules and regulations section 4.20 code B-24 "Boats over twenty-one (21) feet zero (0) inches are prohibited in Canyon Lake. All boats (existing and new) shall be required to be physically measured by the CLPOA.

In keeping within the regulations set forth, the following boats are known to be of certain length measured and advertised by their manufacturer compliant to the CLPOA measuring guidelines as outlined in section 4.20.

APPROVED
Malibu Wakesetter (21'0")
Malibu Wakesetter XTI (21'0")
Malibu Wakesetter VLX (21'0")
Mastercraft X-9 (20'11")
Mastercraft X-10 (20'09")

NON APPROVED
C.C. Super Air Nautique 210 (21'2")
C.C. Air Nautique 216 (21'6")
Supra Launch (21'2")
Tige 21i (21'4")
Tige 22i (21'8")
Tige 22v (21'8")

This ad was completely unnecessary. This was a paid advertisement and it was obviously meant to steer potential boat buyers here in a certain direction. I have to say it sucks because each of these dealers already know which of their boats will work here and which will not. It is also obviously misleading as I can attest to from personal experience. It really disturbs me as these local dealers are sponsors of the Canyon Lake Wakeboard Club
, and I hate to think that one of them would resort to this type of inflamitory advertisement. This just not cool.

I would like to talk personally with anyone who knows more about this ad. Email me at frewwho@earthlink.net. Thanks - Jeff


 
By SANGeRIA (sangeria) on Saturday, February 21, 2004 - 12:49 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Tom -

What private lake in Auburn does your buddy live on the won't allow v-drives or wake enhancing devices? Lake of the Pines?

Kent

 
By Tom Barnard (tlb) on Saturday, February 21, 2004 - 2:32 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Yeah, Lake of the pines won't allow boats over 21' and any boat that has wake enhancing devices on board. Boats with ballast tanks, etc. are not allowed. I wouldnt live there if you gave me a house.
 
By Nick (drmalibupws) on Saturday, February 21, 2004 - 10:40 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
The rule is 21 feet at the water line, For example the Malibu Sunsetter LXI is an overall 22 feet but only 21 feet at the water line, the other foot is the step in the transom, this boat is alowed on Canyon Lake.
 
By Jeff (socalwakepunk) on Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 9:03 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Nick, I cannot comment on the LXI, but you are incorrect about the rule. The boats are all measured topside, down the center, fiberglass to fiberglass. They do not measure rubrails, lifting eyes, swimsteps, or speedo pitots.
 
By Jeff (socalwakepunk) on Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 12:17 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
If they did measure boats at the water line, this whole thread would be a non issue. Think about how far back the water line is at the bow. I'm sure that my boat would have measured somewhere around 19'

(Message edited by socalwakepunk on February 22, 2004)

 
By Robert (ag4ever) on Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 9:57 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
I was just on my SAN yesterday, and whoever said it does not have a rub rail in th rear is kinda wrong. I won't sat totally wrong because it is only about 1/4" thick. There is a rail between the platform and the boat though. The front rub rail is about 1.5 - 2' thick also.

BTW, how do yo acuratly measure a boat from bow to stern without adding an error to the length by not measuring completly level and wrapping around corners? Do they use a plumb at each end?

 
By Jeff (socalwakepunk) on Monday, February 23, 2004 - 9:41 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Robert, We're working with marine patrol officers here, not rocket scientists. They run the measuring tape over the boat and use their eyeballs.


 
By Richard B. (cws_kahuna) on Thursday, February 26, 2004 - 11:14 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Jeff,
Was that ad in the Friday Flyer? I missed it uf ut was but that is a terrible add for whoever ran it. Long time no talk by the way, I'll have to stop by and say hi one day.

 
By Jeff (socalwakepunk) on Thursday, February 26, 2004 - 5:41 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
You would think that living 3 houses down the street from you, I would have plenty of opportunity to stop in and say wutz up. I guess that what happens when you and I work a combined million hours a week.
 
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