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By Jarod Criag (wake26) on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 7:43 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Is it worth the upgrade from wakeboard pro to the Star Gazer. I am having trouble with the boat keeping speed PP seem to think that I have a bad paddle wheel system. So do I just buy a new paddle wheel or pay a couple hundred more and get the Star Gazer?
 
By Donnie (huntingwiley) on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 8:19 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
I have been wondering about this also. I have been considering the upgrade.
 
By insuranceman (insuranceman) on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 8:52 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
i switched to stargazer last year after having so many problems with perfect pass. my install was a simple plug and play. i love it compared to perfect pass.
 
By AtTheLake (bmartin) on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 9:23 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
If you ride in current (river), you will want to stay with the paddle wheel - water speed is way more important than land/air/GPS speed with wakes. The gazer seems more accurate in straight line runs than the wheel, somewhat debatable on turns as both have issues. Like sat tv, the signal can be interupted, especially if you have someone sitting near the puck, but for the most part this doesn't happen often and can be mitigated by keeping people, towels, away from puck.

If you are having problems with the wheel, might be worth the upgrade if you ride in still water. If the wheel works for you, I don't think the upgrade is worth it.

 
By Sinko (sinkoumn) on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 9:27 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
How long is the cable that connects the puck to the master module? Is it long enough that you can run the cable through your tower and mount the puck on the top of the tower?
 
By Jarod Criag (wake26) on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 9:56 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
All the riding that I do is on lakes just wondering if it will keep the speed better than the PP pro right know it varies about 2 mph either side of the set point and I have ajusted everything possible to get it to work better.
 
By Ray (wakeborder5) on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 10:05 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
around how much does the upgrade run?
 
By Hate N Pain (hatepain) on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:06 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
http://www.perfectpass.com/perfect_pass_products.html

Star Gazer Upgrade (Wake Edition or Three Event edition)

Mechanical Upgrade* $469
Drive by Wire Engines** $489
New Multi Line Display (if required) $199


(Message edited by hate&pain on July 17, 2009)

 
By dhcomp (dhcomp) on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 2:11 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
No reason to put the puck on top of the tower. Mount it on the dash corner right under the windshield, or just in front of the windshield on the hull.
 
By Dave (sordave) on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 2:14 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
I like it much better. I had problems holding surf speeds with the paddle wheel. Our puck is mounted on the dash and works through the bimini top
 
By Jarod Criag (wake26) on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 2:14 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
is it still worth it?
 
By Trevor Dean (drilldaddy78) on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 3:53 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Absolutely worth it. I just installed pp on my boat. not knocking the paddle wheel but GPS is much better from what i hear. Gary at pp said it gets signal from 10-15 sattelites so never any issues with being down. Its more accurate than my iphones speed app
 
By Ray (wakeborder5) on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 5:09 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
I don't have an iphone, but I wouldn't have guessed it's the bar for gps speed calibration

..it's not really good is it? lol

 
By Don Christman (ktm525) on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 5:58 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
I just ordered the pp stargazer today. It will be here on Tuesday. They were great people there and very helpful. I will tell you how the install goes and how it works next week. I have a 2005 sea ray 220 select i/o. My profile pix shows the boat.
 
By carter13 (carter13) on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 6:32 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
I have the stargazer on my 05 Avy and love it.
It is very accurate and awesome.

 
By Trevor Dean (drilldaddy78) on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 6:33 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Actually Ray, my phone is spot on my truck. Just saying star gazer is accurate to tenths of mph
 
By chad (toadieboy13) on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 10:55 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
I just installed the Stargazer on an '03 Avalanche. I like it but it does vary a good .5 to 1 mph either direction (and that is with not much weight). I still need to mess with the "k" setting and maybe that will clear it up.

As mentioned earlier, if you are riding in a river with a measurable current than maybe Stargazer is not the best option for you as you would have to adjust PP speed setting for going with or against current. Stargazer does have RPM mode though.

 
By Ryan (liquiddiet) on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 3:39 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
What about bridges? anyone know if PP will cut out when going under bridges?
 
By Nick Yochman (lakemiltonwake08) on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 7:24 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
It will lose signal under bridges. But that's only a 2-3 second jump anyways then it will catch itself.
 
By chad (toadieboy13) on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 7:58 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
We were riding the other day and passing under a low 2-lane bridge... I did not notice it cutting out at all.

We have our Garmin puck mounted between the windshield and the right side of the dash. It's out of the way, you don't really notice it, and it has an almost completely unblocked view of the sky.

 
By bryan lionel (lionel) on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 8:07 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
I've noticed it does lose signal under bridges sometimes. Speed increases for a bit......
 
By Knee Brace Boy (wstr01) on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 6:07 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Anyone try it in the coves with high walls on Lake Powell? My boat GPS (don't ask) and my hand held Garmin lose signal all the time there.
 
By Greg Hind (ghind) on Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 12:57 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
PP has an EXCELLENT gps receiver. It is really sensitive and works perfectly where others don't. It will even lock on inside my shed which is all metal, as long as the door is open!

The supplied high quality 5hz Garmin GPS unit will allow you to connect an external antenna but none of my customers have needed it.

Gazer is great. It is a much nicer system, better to use and nicer interface. The 2009 software is also quite an improvement, although I can't say specifically what is different to wakeboard mode as my work has been more on slalom

 
By Jarod Criag (wake26) on Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 2:29 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
were any of you guys having trouble with your PP before you went to the Star Gazer
 
By insuranceman (insuranceman) on Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 3:04 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
jarod, got you email the other day and i tried to email you back, and it got kicked out.

i had ton's of problems with pp on my 07 x2. contacted pp and they advised me that i had a bad master module, and they would give me a discounted price on a new module since mine was out of warranty. (1year and 3 months)

i ended up getting them to give me stargazer at a slight reduced rate. now mine was a simple 5 minutes install with plug and play but i have been thrilled with stargazer

 

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