|Caught the new malibus at Lake Don Pedro for the Photoshoot. |
Brand new towers!
|im sorry, but that tower is bad. i like the solid look, not with the space in between|
|i could be wrong but my friend who works pretty high up at Malibu says the tower looks like the axis tower not that one or their older ones. but i hope im wrong cuz that tower is sick.|
|not feeling the tower |
... i can't tell if that top boat is chromed out... or wrapped in plastic, if its loaded with chrome, you can put me down on the dislike list
|Got to love the spy photos!! Nice work!! I like the look of the tower, but the angle in the top one seems funny. I really like how the shape of my tower (2008 VLX with Illusion tower) follows the line of the windshield. I think that makes it flow with the boat better.|
|surely these are just a joke....|
|^Uhoh, is this a clever scheme to protect new R&D or a legitimate shoot down of these photos? |
I personally do not like them. At all. Illusion XS for life.
|Oh please say thats not the tower! I guess the titan three wil be the hot ticket this year.|
|Definitely don't like the holes in the tower, makes it look cheap. Stick with the regular illusion.|
|wow way to blow the whole boat first the hull now the tower. My when i get a new boat it wont be another vlx.|
|Thats the fugliest boat next to a Wakecraft|
|just erased my thoughts................... |
please say its a joke.
|kinda like it|
|This is no joke, I actually pulled my boat up next to Alkema's house boat (owner of malibu) and verified that those were the 2010 bu's and they were doing a photo shoot for the new catalog. the white and sky blue one was a response and the other obviously the wakesetter. I didnt care for it, I think they did bad letting the old manufacturer go, to Tige', I've heard these new ones are mfg. in china. not good for america, if its true. hard to find anything these days not made in china, we have no since of pride any more.|
|Never liked the Illusion anyway. This one looks as bad as the others. Titan's always been the hot ticket.|
|Don't be surprised if Illusion is out of business very soon. I saw one of these in person on Friday and I was not feeling the tower.|
|The tower makes the boat look like some kind of an ocean cruiser. I was just getting to like the illusion tower, but this thing is fugly. I love the look of the actual boat, just not the tower.|
|I'm sure they were trying to cut cost in the tower. It looks like the main frame of the tower is tubing..... instead of being all cast aluminum. Someone will like it though.|
|Made in China? What!? |
Man, that tower does look ugly though. I guess I will be buying a Tige or Nautique in 2010.
|The Malibu line looked great when they had the first generation Illusion that flowed with the lines of the boat. Every redesign they did it just became more upright and more awkward, and now this! Not diggin the look at all...|
|Love Malibu's but that is one ugly tower; only thing uglier is the Axis tower.|
|Always liked the look of malibu but that tower is just not doing it for me.|
|Tower doesn't look as beefy as the old ones. It will probably grow on everyone. Maybe! I saw the new nautique towers up close and those things look like they are made in a high school welding class then powder coated without cleaning up the welds. Seems unacceptable for the money being spent. Hopefully that won't be the case with these.|
|Double-barf. Give me Titan I on an '02 Wakesetter over that crap-wagon.|
|Almost as ugly as this years CC's half-assed attempt at the illusion.|
|Nautique man my self but always liked the wakesetters. The new tower is cheesy looking!|
|Man, towers are getting ugly these days...|
|I give to them for trying to be innovative but I'm not digging it.|
|Anyone here noticed that Malibu is not the same since David Telling left?|
Yeah Dan, David Telling started WC and obviously used all his mad skills and experience from Malibu to design his boat.
|"Anyone here noticed that Malibu is not the same since David Telling left?" |
Yes it's way better.
|That tower is nastier than some of the girls I woke up next to in college.....and that ain't sayin' much for the new VTX/VLX in a second. If they come with that tower I'll stay with Tige.|
|Tige is the reason for the new tower design. We can all thank them, well and the DB's at Metcraft also.|
|Ok im not gunna lie I would use a Proflight tower before that.... Its a damn shame Metcraft went under (the comp that made malibu towers other than titan) what are they gunna do??!!!|
|PS THE WAKESETTER LOGO LOOKS SOOOO SICK!!!!|
|Who says they went under?|
|What is Malibu smoking these days? |
I bet its a cheaper tower and that is the appeal.
|Metcraft has not gone under but they are hurting bad. Don't be surprised if they are gone soon.|
|Especially now that they lost malibu as a customer.|
|+1 on the Wakesetter logo. I dont mind the tower but i dont mind the FC3 on the new Nautiques. Next boat will be a 210 anyway. I dont give a dam* what the tower looks like, as long as, it holds boards and the boat is mackin. A buddy has an 08 210 and im sold. IMO. Peace.|
XS tower was perfect, this thing looks god awful.
|No wonder their president stepped down. I would too.|
that thing is nasty.
|Bet Malibu lost 50% of its potential customers due to the new tower and the other 50% due to some sort of health issues because it was made with tainted materials from China. Maybe Malibu is trying to bolster their Axis sales.|
|For starters thats a terrible picture and you can't see the true shape.Besides this is how you guys always treat something new,rag it to death then go buy one and defend it to the death.|
|I have a Malibu and hoepfully will always have a Malibu but those pictures are good enough to see that I think the tower sucks. |
IMO, you don't have to change every year to stay with the top dogs.
|looks good to me. |
"this is how you guys always treat something new,rag it to death then go buy one and defend it to the death."
|Man that tower is fuugly!!|
|As bad as the CC tower. I love the look of BU's and just do not like this at all. However functionally it may be great.|
|Here's better photo's. |
|im sure the tower will grow on everyone... |
i could see myself liking the tower if there was some paint slapped on the chrome part
... i still think the previous years were pure sex
|Look at the bimini open, it looks to be a PITA to hook the rope up.|
|I Like it, Everybody dogged the first illuison tower when it came out too...|
|I think the actually build of the tower looks killer. I like all the bars and holes. Definitely a change. It's the angle I'm having trouble understanding.|
|From this angle it looks good.... |
|I like the way the industrial build matches the windshield.|
|Nate, I think you have some really long arms then that looks to go back atleast 36 inches.|
|tower looks cheap and tacky just like the windshield. they are going the wrong direction for sure, they have already lost 1 future return customer. im so glad i got my 07.|
|I think it will look good once everyone gets use to the tower. I think the tower will help make the windshield look better. They go good together more so now. |
I never was a fan of the Illusion Tower and that is why I went with the Titan III. I would buy the Titan again on my next BU. Malibu is not afraid to make changes and change things up. If they didn't why would you want to buy the newer ones.
|HAH!! I saw the same boat yesterday at pedro also! I was telling everyone in the boat.. what the hell is that tower?? then I saw the malibu sticker on the back.. it was beige in color.. looked wierd|
|Typical responses from this crowd. It's "fugly, sucks, what are they smokin." |
Like Dave and others said, at least it matches the windshield and contributes to the theme of the boat.
Anyone care to comment on the gas shocks that take most of the dead weight off the tower, making it easier to put up/down by yourself?? isn't that an industry first??
|More pics here, looks sick to me |
|Mike... post a few of those pics here... the client I'm at has a web-block on flickr ;)|
|I haven't heard about gas shocks, but my '08 Illusion tower has adjustable springs that take the weight off the tower. I can drop the whole thing with just my pinky. This is one of those brilliant features that they just don't emphasize enough in their marketing. This is a HUGE advantage for anyone that has to fold their tower on a regular basis.|
|I'll admit the angle looks much better in this photo... |
|That tower is terrible but the Titan swivel board racks look bad azz!|
|Dave you're right that tower looks nice in that photo. I think functionally this tower will be better than either Illusion X or XS.|
|one question. is that the same kind of hardened black plastic like on the Avalanche, if so screw that that sheeet fads bad!|
|No it's cast aluminum like the Illusion towers were, it just has a textured look to it like the Axis towers.|
|OK, Dave is right. From those last 2 pics it's already growing on me. Even though I can't really see it in that dark marketing pic. I shouldn't be so quick to judge. |
I actually don't care TOO much about how it looks, as long as it performs well. Form over function......
IMO historically Malibu has had one of the strongest towers. Hopefully they can build on that.
Looks higher, for more head clearance!
|I'm surprised you Malibu guys haven't caught this, yet |
|Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt that the Illusion is the most functional tower out there. It only has two mounting points, it can be folded down by a 10-year-old and it's as strong as anything out there. Obviously, looks are controversial, but I like the way it looks and even if I didn't, I'd take functionality over looks any day. |
I also know that one of the complaints of the tower on my boat (original Illusion), which hugs the shape of the windshield, is that there wasn't enough head room, so perhaps the increased angle on these newer models is an attempt to address that.
|Or maybe reducing the lean forward is an effort to solve the problem with the pins hogging out &/or breaking & subsequent rattling..... especially when their loaded with gear.|
|2 sets of swivel board racks on each side, I like that. |
Looks like this tower is made by Titan??
|I heard from our local Malibu dealer about this tower on Saturday.... It sounded like one of the goals was to make it fold flat enough to go into a 7' door without removing that rear hoop like you have to on the Illusion XS. I'm not sure if this happened or not. It would be very nice though to just have 2 pins to pull, and flop it forward, and back it in! My Titan 2 is very easy to fold down, but does get a little heavy with speakers and racks.|
|I like it more and more every picture I see, it's different, it's functional, it fits the new window design, it looks much higher so that's a plus. |
If someone buys a LSV, I'll trade them my Illusion X for this tower. I'll even re-powdercoat my tower for you.
Funny thing is what everyone hates today will be loved tomorrow.
|I wonder if you can still get it in different colors. I thought that was another huge selling point of the last Illusion tower.|
|I'm a nautique owner and this thread is running about the same course as the first thread on the FCT 3 tower. |
It looks fine.
Now, where to put the mirror ?
|I heard from our local Malibu dealer about this tower on Saturday.... It sounded like one of the goals was to make it fold flat enough to go into a 7' door without removing that rear hoop like you have to on the Illusion XS. I'm not sure if this happened or not. It would be very nice though to just have 2 pins to pull, and flop it forward, and back it in! My Titan 2 is very easy to fold down, but does get a little heavy with speakers and racks. |
that would be nice.
|Damn, you guys would blame anything on Tige, Get a life! c |
|Truth hurts dude, can't blame them for wanting to copy Malibu though. It's really Metcraft's fault but Tige was on the receiving end of the rip off. |
Don't have to believe me ask Bob why Malibu is no longer a customer of his.
(Message edited by 05mobiuslsv on June 29, 2009)
|Guess it does, that's why you replied huh? |
I could careless what happened between Bu and Metcraft and Tige.
|Oh now you could care less? Wonder what Tige will do when they won't be able to get their new tower anymore when Metcraft goes under.|
|Sounds like many of you do not like the new Malibu tower. I would have to say that I agree with all of you! I know people over at Malibu and at Metcraft and to let you all know, Malibu screwed the Metcraft company. Malibu has "removed" many of the original employees and has attempted to make their own tower in order to cut costs. Of course, all companies are doing that now a days...understandable! But, they did it behind Metcraft's back and did not tell them any of their plans. They have tried to copy the exclusive designs of Metcraft with their tower and the lift system. Too bad for Malibu...they are shooting themselves in the foot (or other body parts!) But, don't you all worry...I know that the designer of the original Illusion X and XS towers will have something for all you Malibu owners soon!!!|
|I love the new tower!! I'm suprised by all the negativity....|
|You're full of it Derek. One post spammer. Your facts are backwards dude.|
|Really nu bu...and what makes your facts true???|
|Who do you work for Derek metcraft?|
|Actually...no...I told you, if you read my first post, I know people from both companies.|
|I'm sure they will sell just fine.....|
|I get it.... Metcraft can build an Illusion Knock Off tower for everyone else, but it is Malibu who screwed Metcraft... WOW|
|Those Professional photos definately look good, kinda dark though, my photos were with my cell phone. I think like some of you have said they will grow on us. It is this kind of cutting edge designing that has made malibu what it is today, probably the biggest wakeboat company there is. to bad about metcraft I hope tige can help them stay afloat, cause they do look sweet on them tiges'.|
|So quick to judge. Just like the Axis, new Natique towers, etc., everyone bashes them but once more photos/videos/info comes out, people start saying "Ehh, It's starting to grow on me. I guess it's not as bad as I thought".|
|Dave, maybe they're the same springs as your tower. Sounds good either way and to my knowledge, haven't seen that on any other boat... |
From their FB page:
"From the solid foundation of billet aluminum bases to the billet tower support wings backing the 3” stainless steel hoop the Illusion G3 is unshakeable. The Illusion G3 features dual gas spring shocks to assist in creating the feature of weightless fold down. This new feature now enables you to fold down the tower in minutes, even by yurself. The new tower design incredibly blends the best of form and function in creating the most advanced tower on the market today. The G3 is also accessories-rich featuring a set of two Titan spinner/slide-off wakeboard racks standard."
|Yes Derek I can read. Not making much sense, especially given your first post on here. You don't think Metcraft going behind Malibu's back and making a deal with Tige on an obvious knock off illusion tower had anything to do with the relationship going south? How would Malibu have anything to do with Metcraft losing employees? The only reason Malibu would have anything to do with Metcraft losing employees is the fact they stopped buying from them after they F'd up the deal they had and they couldn't pay all the employees they had. They don't own Metcraft or have any control over what they do obviously. They only made metcraft a bunch of money. |
You think the tooling and R&D involved saved them any money on getting this new tower out there, seriously.
At the end of the day you have your opinion based on the information that was given to you, and I have mine based on the information given to me. They obviously differ greatly.
Nacho it's a little embarassing they can't spell "yurself" .
(Message edited by 05mobiuslsv on June 29, 2009)
|Hey Jeff... is it me or does the new tower look very similar to the tower on your Malibu.|
|From what I've heard, Metcraft also had trouble keeping up with orders from Malibu, especially the custom color towers, which is part of the reason Malibu started building them themselves. If a supplier can't take care of you, why keep them around as a supplier?|
|^^^^ that has been happening all along. There was a big falling out when Metcraft and Tige got together but Malibu producing their own tower has been in the works for some time now.|
|Yea Travis, I think they copied me, j/k. I actually just wanted to build my own tower for the old sunsetter, and with the illusion for inspiration and what I had for equipment thats what I came up with. I even had a machine shop make me some billet bases with the malibu logo on it. It looks better now with a custom bimini on it.|
|It is growing on me especially with the better pics. I will need to see it in person.|
|It is growing on me especially with the better pics. I will need to see it in person.|
|I like the tower overall, but I think what makes it look horrible is the combination of the chrome tubing along with the black cast.|
|I guess in time it will grown on everyone, and we will like it... Look at the very first Illusion tower... show stopper... and many negative reviews and remarks.. but now its the number one tower on the market, that now one could beat in stability... Malibu makes the best quality boats so im sure they have done there homework and this tower is just as strong... Had anyone seen it with a bimini?|
|So is the Illusion XS tower gone for 2010 or is this new tower just going to be an option or on certain boats?|
|Illusion X and XS are history in 2010.|
|Does Malibu own Titan wake? |
That's a Titan tower.
|I agree with David Williams' post earlier... I think that Malibu really has missed a great marketing opportunity with the fact that their towers fold down so easily and quickly for anyone that does it regularly. I know that was a major selling feature that I knew about that no one really pushed when I was shopping for a new boat. Now I do have an '08 VLX with the illusion X but, I can raise or lower my tower in less than a minute by myself without tools and get it into a garage with a 7' door (now I do have to remove my Titan spinners and that requires an allen wrench and removing one bolt on each side and adds a couple of minutes to the opperation) But, to me this was an important selling feature. I like that look of the Supras and there is a dealer in my town as well, but with their bimini I was told that it is at least a 2 person job and there is no where to put the bimini when the tower is down but lay it on the bow. I will have to wait and see the new tower in person before I make a final judgement, but it will probably be at least another 8-10 years before I am in the market again and there will surely be something newer by then.|
|Looks a lot more like a wakecraft tower to me with it not following the contour of the window. Looks functionally better especially for taller guys like me. To me with the bim on it will look better I think the current illusion tower is the same way. Don't like the look much with out the bim with the bim it sweetens it up.|
|Hey Derek where you at??? Guess your buddies over at metcraft didn't give you the full story. |
|is that thing a transformer? seriously why do they put that ugly piece of metal on the windshield? I dont mind the tower so much but the logo on the side, geesh. |
I'm a CC guy and thought the Bu's from a few years back were the best looking boats on the market. Now they are starting to look like those overaccessorized vehicles driving around. Do they have metal flashing trim on the wheel wells to match the windshield? How bout fake vents and curb feelers? haha
|Yes scott and it's more than meets the eye.|
|By Dtb (dtb) on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 - 11:11 am:
|I think the new tower looks dope. I'm really amazed it is getting so many negative comments. Plus the gas shocks are a great idea. If you can powdercoat that tubing to match the gelcoat it is going to look sick. Love the cast with textured finish. |
Still don't like the metal trim at the corners of the windshield though...
|Got a little more info on the tower.... It will clear an 8' door with that rear hoop left on the tower, but to clear a 7' door you'll need to pull the hoop. It will supposedly clear a 6'10" door with the rear hoop removed. Rear hoop removal will be easier than than the Illusion XS, it will be 2 short allen head bolts, and they're not sunk way down into the tower like the XS.|
|damn....I knew I should have gotten a Titan tower on my 0823LSV......|
|Am I the only one who is not fond of boat hulls with significant shaping for fashion purposes? |
Any idea why BU decided to do this to the VLX?
|^^^ I assume you are talking about the indents on the side of the new VLX hull? I wasnt sure how I felt about the look of them at first either. They serve no purpose other than pure aesthetics. I must say though that after seeing them in person and riding the new VLX hull that I am now a fan. They fit with the aggressive look of the VLX and the new wake is sick. Huge improvement over the previous VLX hull. |
As far as the tower goes Im gonna hold my opinion until I see one in person and feel how rugged it is. I'm sure it looks better than it does in some of the pictures (I think it looks crazy tall), but if its a beefy tower that doesn't shake all over, I dig it.
|> "the new wake is sick. Huge improvement over the previous VLX hull" |
I was very disappointed with the 2009 VLX stock wake. I thought it was paltry with max ballast and wedge. A lot of people are telling me that it is inferior to the previous wake.
|That tower looks like it belongs on a WakeCraft from the pictures, I bet it looks better in person.|
|The '09 I rode had 3000+ lbs in it and power wedge. I really liked how it was super clean with long transition, minimal trough, and the power wedge adjusted right gave a little lip. Maybe its my limited experience with a fully weighted pre '09 but the new wake just hit me the right way. Different strokes for different folks I guess.|
|The wider beam is definitely going to change it up compared to what people are used to. It's similar to how the Nautique 210 changed from 06 to 07....mellowed out the wake, wider, less trough, less vert.... |
I have an 08 23LSV, and they widened the beam that year on my boat. Some people have a difficult time with the wider wake, and I feel that you have to add more weight to it to make the proportions right. Personally....I like it that way....allows me to take wake2wake tricks bigger...more floaty.
|I'm curious why wakes are moving toward more mellow than peaky? Do you think we will ever see a new model boat throw a wake as peaky as the old SAN or the 205V hull? I really don't...|
|^^^Epic 23V, although its the only one. The industry trend seems to be bigger and rampier which is a direct result of making bigger, roomier boats. Hopefully at some point we'll start to see some of the smaller boats with the steeper wakes come back, I like them A LOT and think its a shame that they've been phased out.|
|the SAN wake change was a good one. I hope the new VLX wake doesn't get any rampier than the previous generation.|
|We have a 2010 LSV at the shop, the new tower looks much better in person then in any of the pics posted. The slope is less then the illusion, but does not look odd in person. The tower is very, very solid no sway when towing or when hanging off it like a monkey. Fit and finish are next perfect. Illusion was never a very well build tower, but has proven to be very functional. This tower combines the fit and finish with great functionality.|
|You got any snapshots of that there 2010 for our viewing pleasure?|
|johnny, do you know if the option to order it fully powder coated will be available, and color matched? |
UHH FINE, its growing on me, i give a little but not sold yet.......
|I agree. |
The new SAN wake is better for my taste. They went from too steep to very nice (less abrupt but not too rampy).
The new BU wake going more rampy is a mistake in my opinion. It seemed even more rampy than my 2000 VLX which leaves me wanting a better wake.
There is definitely a sweet spot between steep and rampy and everyone's ideal is a little different.
|I rode a stock ballast '09 VLX and it was by far better than the '08 and prior|
|Nick, I was not able to get shots last night becuase it rolled in after dark and my camera flash is not working. I'll have it for a couple more days so I'll get some picks and post them up. |
Bryan, not sure the options for color. Regardless it looks to be easier to remove from the boat then the Illusion was, a couple bolts on each side and she's off to a powder coater for a color change if needed. When I had my tower done it was $450 to powder coat it, plus about 2 hours of time to remove/install the tower.
|Johnny-who did your powder coating, if you don't mind? I have been thinking about doing mine white.|
|Nu Bu, you scared Derek off I think.|
|Nick, your boat would look clean with a white tower. I had mine done by Farben Finishes, but he has since retired. There are lots of shops in the bay area that will powdercoat, it is not rocket science by any means. You should be able to find a place in Salinas or Gilroy. I ran a quick search on Google "powder coating in Salinas" it came back with 6 shops in Salinas. |
Here are a few names I recognize.
Crosslink Powder Coating Salinas
Hy-Tech Powder Coating, Inc
|Johnny-thanks for the info. I searched for powder coaters a few months ago and found some of the same shops you mentioned. However, I hadn't heard of any of them before. I'm just trying to get a feel for the total cost including the removal and replacement of the tower. I think I need to talk to you about my stereo too.|
|By AP (adam) on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 11:02 am:
|Nick, I have a buddy that powdercoats in Turlock.... His name is Alex, cool ass guy... |
|AP-thanks for the referral. Unless his price is right, it would probably be a bit easier to use somebody closer to Salinas.|
|I think I kind of like that tower. I'd like to see one in person, but the later pictures look the best. |
When that Tige tower came out I figured Metcraft may of screwed the pooch. Guess they did...
|Not sure that did it to be honest look at the economy look at how many companies are going out of business how few boats are being made with the costs of going up just building towers may not be sustainable. Not sure but maybe Metcraft saw the writing on the wall that BU was getting ready to come out with their own tower and said we need to get someone to sell a tower too. CC is getting their towers elsewhere, so is MC and BU working on their own that leaves Tige who they had a relationship in the past. Just a thought if you have the resources typically in the US its cheaper to manufacture something yourself. Not the same if your outsourcing it to China. Metcraft filing is sad people will be losing jobs because of it.|
|"I rode a stock ballast '09 VLX and it was by far better than the '08 and prior" |
How do you improve on what was and still is the best wake in the industry- the "05-"08 VLX. Far better??? I don't think so.
|^ the 09' was awful!!!!!! What are you talking about. |
Old wakesetters weren't to bad, but this last year, wowza.... something went crazy and it was pitiful.
Remember the 2/3 people who demoed a few boats, all of them said something along the lines of, "Wow, this years wakesetter was a total let down..." .... because it was.
|My point exactly Nick.|
|I don't think the wakeboard wake is any better, but the surf wave is way way better on the 09'.|
|Nick (ndavis03), drop me a line I have a shop in Modesto that I totaly forgot about. We can remove and replace the tower at the shop and send it out for coating. look us up on our website or 411.|
|i swear i just saw the above white and teal boat coming down hwy 17? was driving home over the hill this am and was noticing a bunch of boats going the other way. then in the distance i notice a bu, i do a double take and i see holes in the tower with a chrome tube going up the outside. well, whoever you are that has that boat, go have some fun with it today and be careful gonna be crazy out there.|
|Sorry Peter T! .... didn't see the quotes, thought you were claimin the 09 was better.... which as we both know is totally not the case. |
Maybe malibu should just give up and make surf boats.... all those extra board racks you can hang a lot of weight off of
|With the power wedge you can bump it up a few clicks and make the wake much steeper for those that prefer steepness to a rampy wake.|