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By Bryce Vanderhorst (brycejay) on Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 10:26 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Well a couple weeks ago I finally got my 99 SAN back from getting the trailer redone, tower powder coated, new interior and tower speakers installed, perfect pass installed, new skin on the rear deck, and a few other little things.
All in all I think it turned out pretty good. It took a little bit longer than I planned on, but the guy that did it all gave us a killer deal.
I have taken the boat out a few times and I don't think the ballast to the rear tanks is working. When I hit the fill switch I don't hear any pump going so it is either bad wiring somewhere, or a bad pump. The ballast setup on this thing is kind of weird.
Now to my questions... I want to add a three bag system (possibly four). two in the rear compartments, one in the ski locker, and one possibly up front.

1) Should I just tear out the stock system and replace it with jabsco pumps? It looks like the pumps in the existing system are in a tough place to get to, what would be the procedure of getting these pumps out?

2) If I took out the hard tanks and aerator pumps, can I keep all of the original plumbing and just add a jabsco (w/switches) and sacs?

3) If anybody has any other suggestions on what would be the best setup and what has worked for you, please let me know!

Thanks a lot guys. Here are a couple before and after pics of the boat...Upload
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By pete c (saceone) on Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 3:20 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
good stuff! loving the vintage SAN decals!
 
By Torrey Cazalas (tcaz) on Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 3:56 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
sweeeet. very clean looking.
 
By Bryce Vanderhorst (brycejay) on Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 6:51 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
By redoing the ballast system will I have to drill new holes in the bottom or can I use the existing holes?
 
By Justin (wakesk8er2) on Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 8:57 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
You can use the existing hole, but if you want multiple pumps you're gonna have to make some sort of manifold. With the price of those ballast puppy pumps, I'd just get one and use valves to control where the water goes.

You'll have to drill a new hole in the side for a belly sac vent unless you put a check valve into the bilge line and just tee into that.

 
By Psyclone (cyclonecj) on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 7:05 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
You should fix the stock system, it will work fine. You can always put in bigger aerator pumps for minimal cost or replace the tanks with bigger sacks. You shouldn't have to drill any holes. I'd stay away from impeller pumps, they are slow and unreliable, not worth the exorbitant cost, i.e. 10x$ an aerator that will pump 3x as much. They require heavy wiring and pull gobs of current. You can't put them in the engine compartment because they are not ignition protected. Simers don't even count as a boat part, they are plastic junque.

You already have a complete system in place, why reinvent the wheel? It may need some improvement but I'd rather buy a tsunami or two and some sacks than 250$+ pumps. Spend the rest on gas;)

 
By Brad D. Chesley (bchesley) on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 10:39 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
psyclone you must have never used a factory system from 99. Technology has come a long way since then. The newer systems are ten times faster and are more reliable than the old ones. Not sure where you are getting the info on the pumps being unreliable.

The factory system in the 99 san has 400lbs of ballast and thats it. At the minimum it needs a center bag and that needs a hole in the bottom to feed it. The install is so much easier using a jabsco pump because it is its own check valve.

I have helped two friends pull the old systems out of their classic 210/supers and install jabsco systems. There is no comparison between the two.

 
By Justin (wakesk8er2) on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 11:16 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
exactly my thoughts. you haven't used the ballast system in that boat psyclone. Get ballast puppies, replace the tanks with bags, and add a belly bag. All 600# bags.
 
By Bryce Vanderhorst (brycejay) on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 6:03 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I want to go with the jabsco. I had them in my Sport Nautique and they worked well. I'm just going to go with the three sac system with one ballast puppy I think. I still have to figure how to route all the plumbing.
 
By Justin (wakesk8er2) on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 7:41 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
The back ones should be relatively easy. I forget exactly how we did it in my cousin's boat, but if you look in the ski locker, there is an access hole right in the rear (towards transom). If you take up the floor, you should be able to fish a hose from the engine compartment and end up going through that hole with the hose. Assuming you're going with just one ballast puppy mounted in the engine compartment, you just need one hose run across the back of the boat to the opposite side, and t'd off to the other sacs with valves to control each.
 

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