|Here are some pic's of what I am work on. |
Im installing 4 Arc Audio 2300's to push 4 12 W-7's. Here are some pic's of the amp install.
First I removed the orignal carpet
Then I took down all the old amp mounting boards so I had a clean slate.
Then I installed some new 28oz Nautique carpet
The Amp racks and the fuse block's were all mounted the same way.
The mounts are made of 3/4 MDF. They were coverd with epoxy resin and sanded and painted.
This is the front power/ground block
This is the rear power/ground block
Power and Ground. The Mounts have a bolt comming threw them. The Amp's have a Aluminum bar on them that makes it easy to hang them on the rack.
All the Amps are running Cat5 cable into a RJ-45 balanced imput instead of RCA's. Here is a pic of the Cat5/ RJ 45 imput.
|It's always fun to see your stuff G.|
|Thought I was going to find some info on a secret fishing spot with a lot of bass. Nevertheless, that is pretty impressive. Would like to see what the setup will be for batteries and caps.|
|you are so hot!!!!!!!!|
|Wow I never knew Cat5 was an effective way to run an audio signal. I suppose I should have just assumed since I use Cat5 in many non-typical applications in residential settings. As usual completly mind blowing install/setup Grant|
|What processor put's out a signal that utilizes Cat5 Grant?|
|Good question. Grant is there an EQ that you can hook the cat5 up to or do you have to convert it to RCA first?|
|Grant West ladies and gents! The very DEFINITION of EXCESSIVE! |
I LOVE IT!
I'm stressing about the cost of one of those, and you go and buy four. Decided to go with the M475 for the head unit so I could stick with the same wired remote.
|looking good! will your alt/batt setup be the same or you upgrading it?|
|I have never used Cat5 before. This is the first install that I have done that is using it. Arc say's that you can take the Cat5 line and cut it at the end where you want to convert it to RCA's or Symbalink and just add what ever end you like. So I will see how it go's I hope it works out the way they say it will. So if I need a pair of RCA's at the end Ill just cut the Cat5 and add what ever I end up running. I was planning on removing the RCA cable that was pushing a signal to my PPI-4125 amp's and using Cat5. I will have to add RCA's to the Cat5 for thoes amps so its no big deal. I also have the Audio Control BLX-10.I dont know if im gona use it. Its a Line Driver/RCA to Cat5 converter. So if things get wierd I can always use that to push/pull or convert a signal. I had planned on using the Audio Control BLX-10 to share a signal between boats using Cat5 and the RJ-45 connectors doing away with RCA cable's. |
Thanks gyu's: Jason: My batterys are pretty un impressieve. I have 5 SeaVolt 92amp hr batterys thats 530 amp hrs that power the system and are tucked away. No cap's. Nacho: The charging system will stay the same. Balmar 220 Amp Alternator. They system worked perfict all last year. I should be finishind with the Amp's and getting started with the sub Box's in the next few day's. Im gonna get Clay on the Job. "Sub box Masta" Babson I got a chance to hear Joe's Boat. BOOOOOOOOOM, Sounds good.
|Grant - You always amaze me with your talent & always changing up your system. Look forward to seeing the final product @ SR.|
|those amps look sick all lined up like that..|
|G- Need 4 more on the the other side to balance everything out. Looks sic. Sub boxes under the front/passenger seats?|
|Dam. Thats got to be the baddest boat at Tulloch. Nice new carpet. I bet its much better. Nice job.|
|I can see it now "My boat leans to the right" |
j/k, It looks sick!
|Grant, Check out this link. http://www.installer.com/tech/cat5.html I was looking into using cat 5 myself a few months back but then I seen that.|
|Paul: Thanks 4 the Link. I know you know about Cat5 and network systems. I agree with what little I read and what it was saying. I didnít read all of it because I think I know where he was going and I agree, Simply adding Cat5 to your system is not going to eliminate noise and or make a balanced line. Iím not an expert at this and Iím only going buy "What I was told" at ARC. The line is not what makes a balanced signal. Itís the transmission point and the receiving point along with the line that give's you a balanced signal. So the processor that youíre using should push a balanced line. And the amp that youíre pushing it to should have a balanced input. And the line that you push it threw should be a twisted pair Cat5. When all 3 things are met it should work the way Iím hoping. A true balance line. Iím going to use the Zapco Digital DSP-6 SL EQ that pushed a balanced signal Threw symbalink. Iím hoping I can cut the symbalink at the end where it runs into my Arc amps and install a RJ-45 connecter into the balanced input of my ARC se 2300's. If anybody has any more info on this type of instillation it would be great to hear from you.|
I thought this thread was about Bass fishing.
|My house is all wired with CAT5|
|i would think they would run a digital signal through the cat5, why would you want to push an analog signal through such thin wires? |
if you are running a balanced signal, why wouldn't you use XLR's and nice mic cable type lines like they so in recording studios and such?
|The gauge wire inside Cat5 is not much smaller than in hight quality RCA's. XLR cables seem a bit large to be running threw a boat|
|What head unit are you going with this time Grant?|
|4 12 W7S????????????????????????? thats going to have a ridiculous amount of bump in your boat. |
I've heard 2 10w7s and I almost went deaf
|I was gonna run the Alpine 9861 DVD MP3 CD player with the Fastlink Ipod hook up.|
|Grant if you can tube the subs to the water at the transom you should be able to cruise OK just on the stereo.|
|Was that clarion 4 a good HU and have you seen the CMD5? I like the spec's and thought I'd buy your remote go go with it.|
|I don't see why you wouldn't be able to use the Zapco eq. I found a pin-out schematic for the symbalink cables somewhere. I had a zapco eq at one point in time and I made my own symbalink to rca cables and it worked fine. The cat 5 stuff is rather interesting to me considering that is my line of work. I would suggest using shielded twisted pair (STP)if you can. That might help a little bit as well.|
|Grant you've stripped that boat so many times I bet you can get it down to bare fiberglass in about 10 minutes! Looks like you'll need to add a third axle on the starboard side of the trailer.|
|Grant you have t close to being finished. any updated pic's|
|I have a computer problem. I cant upload pic's. |
My regular cammera is in Australia with my wife. I have been taking pics with a New cammera. problem is my computer will not reconize it when I hook it up threw the USB. I can hear the computer reconize it but it dosnt show up in the menu. So Im sorta S.O.L till I get it worked out. I have lots of cool pic's. If I can get some help making it work I can upload some pic's
JASON: why dont you come over and fix my computer please!
|Just good to the G drive and click on the DCII file and it will open the files|
|Nope No G drive. I can hear the computer reconize the device. When I fire up the cam I can hear it the computer making the additional hardwear chime|
|The pc may just need a little help with seeing your camera sometimes my PC freaks out and doesn't seet my external USB drive even though the light is on. Right click on "my computer" and choose "properties", click tab that says "hardware", then choose "device manager". In the new window expand the "disk drives" to see if you see your camera in there. If you do, right click on it an uninstall it. If that doesn't work go to the cameras manufacturer and download the driver for your camera, reboot, and that should do it.|
|G- why don't you just buy a USb card reader and put your memory card in, plug it in and go.|
|Ok Here are some Pic's I gave up at home. Had to load these ones from work. Pain in the! |
Clay came over this weekend and did his "BOX Magic". Yup he seemd to make these boxes with 1.2 to 1.3 QSF of air space with all the funky angles. Just Perfict. My boat is way smaller than a SAN. Clay had put W7's in the passenger side compartmentof many SAN's and the boxes turned out to be 1.0 QSF. I was suprised that my smaller boat was able to squeeze these larger boxes, Thats after Hr's of moving things out of the way to make room for these boxes. Im pretty sure that this is the only Air Nautique around with 4 12's in this configuration. Any one with 4 12's set up like this would have had to do the same work I did.
|The square box is gonna be fully painted (red) with plexy window's and LED's inside The squares you see are the plexy windows. The other box is gonna be painted on the baffel side ((red) and then the rest of the box is getting Line-X'd. There will be a trim pannel to finish it off. |
You can also see in the pic above. The carpet has been maked with a Pen where the box at the drivers feet meets the floor at the corner. The Ski locker needs to be sectioned so the box can clear the ski locker door when its open the floor will need to have a peice made to fit the cut out section. All the carpet is coming out and New carpet is going in
|Here are some Pic's of the Boston SL 95's retro fit into the stock speaker location's |
|Then I made a Holder for my New Alpine remote. |
I had a hole in the transome from where my old remote was and I needed to make somthing to fill the hole and hold my new remote. Its not finished yet but you can get the Idea. The remote itself will be held in with velcro so you can take The remote out of its holder and control your system from 150 feet away. Its waterproof and it floats
|WOW... nice work man.|
|Sweet! Those 6x9's look sweet up in the bow. Nice work man! |
4-12's I cant wait to hear. Youre definately going to get more Deep bass from having it underneath the Dash compared to having it behind the drivers seat like mine.
Tuning is going to be fun.....I already have the Ear Plugs ready
Just dont forget to bring Brad's mixes and we'll get it done.
|OMG its Harrold. Yo everyone. Harrold has one of the sweetest sounding SAN's out. If you havent |
seen his SAN with 4 12's your missing out. Harrold is a tune master. Once my stsyem is finshed Im gonna have Harrold over to tweek the system out. He likes playing with thousand's of adjustments. The thing is he will never tune my system to its full potential because then I will have the sweeetest sounding sytem, \clipart
No more "Bass JEW"
|Thats right. No more bass jew here, but I dont know about you!!! We'll see how long your battery bank will last when you "cant get enough" of the bass youre going to have. I think you'll find yourself at the end of the day wondering......"please remind me why I play my music so F-ing loud that now my ears are hurting, and I have this constant ringing in my ear?) |
And then.....I can already see your next year's project...."Building on board diesel generator that will power 15,000 watts for a weekend?"
BOOOOM...lets see it!
|Harrold: Im gonna be like Brian Carillo. Ill bring jumper cable's Ill suck your battery's down. |
When I run outa juice I can play and re-charge dead battery's back at over 70 amp's and still keep playing! MUUUUhahahahahahahhahha!
|HUH? I cant hear you....can you speak a little louder? Or Yell? |
Jumper cables...ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Thats some funny stuff there!
Its almost time to "Rock It"
Get those boxes here and lets get them painted up.
|Nice work your boat must sound awesome to say the least. What batteries are you using for all that bass?|
|yea 6x9s remind me of the 80s thats sick. rock it.... yea... stay the night.|
|dam g you have the sweetest system. 4 12s nice. i hope joe and robert will be sick the day of spring ride. if we can only pray. you should send joe on a vaca that weekend. my sisters friend had 6x9s in his fire bird. it pounded. oh yea the t tops were sick also. |
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|all eyez on me- Dont Hate, Appreciate!|
|Harold: you havent been around here lately, Tupac |
is the W/W A$$ clown. He is buddy's with Joe Mitchel. Never mind him.
|ahhh come on guys dont take what i say seriously. i think g is the man. i like what he does and shows everybody on wakeworld. he gives a lot of people ideas. thats what this ww is all about. questions and ideas. horold i have no reason to hate. g is a good guy. i just mess with him. i guess i need to know when to stop. see you at spring ride. g i owe you a drink bro. |
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|By Bob (bob) on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 1:13 am:
|Grant I didnt read whether or not you are using solid core or stranded cat 5. I would be concerned about all the vibration eventually getting to that wire if it is single strand solid core. One of the simulators I work on was built with the stranded cat 5 so that is how I know it is available on the market. Anywhere else, even in a car, I wouldnt think it would be a problem but on a boat and a boat that is going to be vibrating even more from 4 W7's???|
|Bob" I dont know if the cat 5 is Solid or stranded. Your saying the solid core would tend to break with all the vibration. Ill check. Its all Belkin cat5. Ill look and see what it is. But I doubt that the vibration will be a problem If I have wires dangeling ect I see your point. But you never know I have never run cat5 before so you might just be right Ill keep a eye on it thanks for the heads up.|
|i only bump SHORTY WANNA BE A THUG with the t-tops down. pac, you know how we roll |
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|whats bass jew?|
|gonna be nice! you do nice work G!|
|Thanks for sharing your work with us! Nice indeed! How did you mount the amps to the sidewall - Did you just glue it?|
|Yes the amp mount blocks are glued to the bare fiberglass with glue.|
|Grant, you gonna enter that thing in the sound off at Spring Ride? I'm stoked to see what everyone's got up their sleeves this year. There should be some serious bass flexin' goin on. |
BTW, you may want to find a good gel-coat guy... those 4 12's are probably gonna spider-web your hull. LOL!! Definitely going to be testing your hull rigidity.
Hey, what did you make the transom remote out of? Looks nice.
|Your and Harlod's system must sound great at the KKK rallies. |
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|Grant, what sort of glue was it that you used that is strong enough to hold those ampracks to the fiberglass?|
|Cat5? Psshhhh, thats lame! |
I am calling Clay and getting my shizaat wired up with Cat6!!! Get with the times homie!
|Evan: If I have a MC yes I would agree I would be testing the Hulls rigidity. Good thing I dont have a MC I can always add more bass. |
Bobby: No its not that kind of BJ
Javony: Strong glue "K-17403"
Atilla: better check with the Boss before you decide to start doing any upgrade's
|if my assumption is correct at the meaning, kinda sucks that i was all interested in this thread and as always amazed by grants work until i saw the word "bass jew". could have done without that G and Harold!|
|Yeah...great craftsmanship, poor choice of words.|
|Where would someone go about getting K-17403 glue G?|
|I should have realized that not everyone here knows what Bass Jew ment to Harrold and I. Thats my bad. In hind sight yes it was a bad choice of words. Our friend JUDE has no bass in his X9 only a stock system we reffer to him as bass Jude. |
Sorry If I offended anyone.
|OK enough about the offensive thing. Where do I go about getting the glue?|
|Very nice work. I'd love to do something similar although probably on a smaller scale. Just worried that the boat would rattle apart and be full of rattles?? You just turn it up so you don't hear it? |
Harold, what's up bro? It's Peter ( Red C5)
|Yeah, you offend me to you Jerk! |
|SVB (peterc4)- whats up man? I just sent you an email. |
|How did you make those speaker rings & the holder for the remote? How the hell did you get the upholstery out of the bow???|
|Javoney: I get it from the local Auto Body supply. Depending on what your doing (glueing) there is a few differnt glue's you can get at home depot that work perfict. |
Big D I just traced a speaker grill with a felt tip pen. I cut the MDF directly on the line that I marked. That will make the ring large enough so that gap between the vinyl and the speaker grill will be perfect when you fold the vinyl in on the ring and install the grill. Depending on how thick your vinyl is will determine where you cut. Either on the line, inside the line or outside the line. You might need to cut a few rings to figure it out. You also need to figure out how thick the foam is where your speaker is. Example. One of the photos is from the side panels of the boat where the foam is thinner. The ring is white and look at how thin the ring is its 3/4 thick. Then you notice how thick the ring is in the open bow. Its much thicker twice the size because the foam is much thicker. I cut the rings with a Jigsaw. (Bosch) you need a high quality jigsaw for the thicker material or else the blade will bend and the ring will not be round. It will be all messed up. Fatter at the bottom and the correct size at the top sort of cone shaped. Or you can make a lot of dust by making a template and then using a plunger router.
The Remote holder. Its not finished. Itís just in white primer. It was made with Epoxy. Itís a cool new material that I have been having allot of fun with. Its a 2 part epoxy that you mix up and and shape like clay. Then I router it. It dries hard as a rock. After its dry you can machine it like aluminum or sand it like wood or plastic. I made a bunch of trim pieces and hard to make pieces with it. Compound curves filler spacers ect. The stuff works great.
|That epoxy sounds really cool. Is that remote waterproof or will you have to make a cover for it? A billet one would be cool!|
|The remote is waterproof and it floats. It works form over 100 feet away. So you can attach it to your vest.|
|"G" It's a good thing you don't have an MC, or you'd be soo busy wakeboarding that you wouldn't have any time for the boat projects... LOL!!! |
Yeah, I like the Remote mount. That epoxy sounds cool. Did you end up going with the deck that has bluetooth? Definitely be cool to link boat systems without wires.
Harold, what up buddy? Long time. I haven't seen you around the delta in days. I heard you turned the Ford into a monster truck.
Funny you guys mentioned it... The last time Carillo went dirt biking with us at stoneyford I had to jump his truck after he ran his battery dry flexin his beats. Ha, ha, ha....
|What up Evan? Yeah man, havent been to the delta in a long time. Hopefully this summer will be different. Somewhat of a monster truck I guess? 10.5" on 38's. |
Carrillo killed his battery? Thats all bad! haha! Good thing he had you there so he had some help. Thanks for helping a brotha out!
|Post some pics. 10.5 and 38's sounds pretty respectable. Nice. |
|hmmm. I dont have any pics. I had to think about that one! haha! I should get some soon tho.|
|G ~ I'm crushed you didn't ask me. |
Just kidding. What you really need is cat6a shielded. the real deal.
Where did you get the remote and how much does it run? What Head unit is it compatible with?
|do you guys believe that these cat 6 will replace rca's? i mean in the years to come? will the amp man start putting these on amps?|
|Definitely a nice clean alternative.|
|Jared: The remote is by http://www.h2owaves.com/technical.php |
They make it and Aline puts it in a Alpine box.
you can log on and see if the make a remote that workes with your Headunit. I know they make one for the Clarion. They also make a round remote that attaches or inserts into your horn button or the stearing wheel insert. I think I payed like $75 for the remote.
Jerry: I think if enought people start asking for the or buying amps or Eq's with RJ-45 and Balanced outputs then yes Cat5 might be the next RCA. I doubt that they would take over for RCA's. It would be nice to have a alternative to RCA's with the added bennifits of a Balanced noise rejecting cable's. Do you need them? NO. Can they work better than RCA's Yes. When installing its seems that you allways end up with a situation wher you have to cross a power line. Or you have a location where you dont have a choice but for your signal line to cross or come close to a noise genration peice. I.E. a line Alternator, Depth finder ect, you name it it can generate noise. Some systems have it some dont. Depending on what and where its comming from it can be a nightmare to chase down. It would be NICE for a product sutch as "Cat5 and a RJ-45 and a Balanced line" to take that nightmare out of the instalation shakedown process. Is Cat 5 comming? Good question. If it works better than RCA's then I hope so.
Aqua: Yes hook me up with some of thoes lines
I made the Cat5 to RCA conversion last weekend wher ethe Bass signal comes out of my EQ and I found that my Cat 5 is stranded solid core. Does that make sence? Each line has like 9-10 solid wires that make one wire. Making the converison was pretty easy. Arc has a diagram of what Cat5 colors power each speaker. All line +'s go inside the Rca and all line -'s go to the outside of the line pretty easy.
|What would be very nice is to take home theatre technology and have an optical option sending a digital signal from the deck and having the amp programble to do the signal processing - selecting the right channel and frequency hi/low levels. Imagine one thin wire from the deck then daisy chain the signal from amp to amp and select what signal info you want the amp to produce. Sexy time, I like.|
|Alpine already has what your talking about. Most Alpine Headunits have a Optical. Some Alpine amps have it as well. To bad the Alpine amps dont have the nuts to drive big subs like W7s|
|I heard someones sh** BOOMS!!!! |
Need a new clock?
|Grant - With all the bass what do you do to combat rattling? |
With just a 10 in my boat (granted it is much older) I begin to notice it with the right songs/beats that hit.
|Luke: LOL thats funny where did you hear that? |
Yes its true, I fired up the system and holy crap S#it started falling off the walls the clock fell off and broke. My brother came over and said a few pictures fell off his walls. LOL. I was pretty supprised. I have had a few systems in my garage and I thought it was pretty Bass proof . I guess the extra sub's and the New amp's and new boxes helped out. I know it will not be that wild when I take it outside in open air bummer but it is Bassin pretty hard. Clay was over tuning it in and we were both cracking up at how hard it was bumpin. Wanna see some pic's
|You know we do, Post um up|
|why you holding out G-money?? |
give us the goods.
|"Wanna see some pics" |
Thats like asking a crack head if they want crack!
I was talkin to Clay and he was telling me how it made his brain hurt.
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|G-Do ducks quack? Lets see em. I can't wait a whole week|
|how much longer before we get more pics?|
|Does a bear sh** in the woods?|
|Post pix or I will bring the racoons back over to torment your lawn!|
|Looks really good. I like the long amplifier line and I really like the way the front speakers look factory.|
|Grant, nice work there again!! |
but please tell me, how many times so far have you pulled the Bling Bling apart ???