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Anybody read the Dallas Friday interview in WB mag? Yikes! A little cheese with your whine Ms. Friday???? She is an awsome rider...guy or girl she has top talent for sure. I think she needs to learn to win gracefully. Lots of calling out the females for not riding harder, excluding her from the group, etc. Do you think it is more a product of her attitude rather than theirs, or is it possible that it really is that catty on the female tour?
Eric
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dude they are girls, always the potential for cattyness.
I heard she was super super competitive, that's probably where this is coming from.
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Yeah, but did you read the article?
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maybe she's just mad because people are making fun of her newly bought boobies.
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she bought new boobies?How big?
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Pics??
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I have to read this, anyone have a link?
Big Ed - Hahahaha!
-Amy
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Dallas used to be really outgoing and friendly. Now she seems withdrawn. I think it is her attitude, not everyone elses.
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eric - I have not read the article. I'm assuming it's the August issue? I haven't got that one yet.
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I remember an interview a while back...haven't seen the new issue though...is it in the new one?
You'd have to admit that her tournament record and competition riding does put her above the rest of the girls....but wakeboarding is not all about contests.
Bolt-ons?????? Really?
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To quote Ron Burgundy...
"She pointed to her boobies.."
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I don't know...I just went to a clinic with Dallas on Friday and it didn't look like they were paid for...as far as personality/attitude let's remember that she is 18 and everyone is entitled to a lousy day or three.
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Ya, give her a break. She has done a ton for advancing women in this sport.
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I agree greatdane. The girl can throw down, major props to her after reading that article. I thought it was a real good read.
Whenever you are the top dog someone, somewhere is always trying to tear you down.
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Yeah it's in the August issue.
Not trying to tear her down, I just think the attitude is a bit over the top, like her riding only in a negative way. I think she is a tremendous rider, and has done much for women in the sport. However, you can't make the comments about others in that way and wonder why nobody wants to be your pal. As Lizard said, it is probably just her age. I don't think I've ever seen a public commentary like that from the men.
For what it's worth my wife read it first and pointed it out saying something like she sounded like a whiner.
Eric
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I have not read the article, but there was an interview with her last year sometime and I have to say after reading that one I felt like her head had grown too large for her little body. Am interested to read this one. I am all for young athletes who are good at what they do if they can do it gracefully. For example, James Stewart. My husband was watching an outdoor moto thing a few days ago and there was interview with Bubba over some words he exchanged with Ricky Carmichael. Bubba had just an inflated ego in that interview and I said to my husband, "I know he is a good rider and all, but with an attitude like that I am no longer impressed." Grace and dignity go a long way in my opinion to make a great athlete greater.
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Dallas is in a class all her own. The other female riders have shunned her because of her success. She is only 18 and everyone has there days. Dallas carries herself very well. If you meet her in person, you'd know that the success hasn't gone to her head.
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*flame suit on*
I have noticed that she is at such a higher level than the rest of the girls, its just no contest. I mean watching the boys ride is more interesting sometimes.
*flame suit off*
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STOP SPREADING RUMORS! Joe DO you know she has had a boob job? Who cares! All the girls you dream of have fake breast.
Like Steve Said Dallas is in a class of her own! I met her at Portland last year and she was very personal!
JOE WHERE IS YOUR ESPY!
NUFF SAID!
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1. i haven't personally seen them, but my friends have.
2. you have no idea which girls i dream of.
3. espy...who cares?
don't be so bitter dude...i'm sure she'll let you carry her boards, vest, rope and handle next time.
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im not sure how the interview was done, but she certainly must have known that this was gonna be read by lots of people, so any negativity or "cattiness" MUST have been intentional.
and yes she got boobies. she isnt exactly the first in the sport to get them, either.
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WOW JOE !
1.YOU HAVE SOME ISSUES ! DO YOU LISTEN TO EVERTHING YOUR FREINDS TELL YOU? HAVE A OPEN MIND!
2.ESPY YOU STILL WILL NEVER GET ONE EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T CARE !
3. I'M NOT BITTER I AM JUST AM MAN THAT IS RESPECTFUL OF LADIES THAT RIP! AND MAYBE YOU SHOULD CARRY HER BOARD SHE MAY TEACH YOU HOW TO RIDE !
GOOD LUCK!
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triple post and all in CAPS. Dude relax.
Lets see some pics of you riding and I will post some pic of Joe riding. Then will let WW say "who rips" and who doesn't.
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Statistically, women desire Cs and men desire Cs or Ds.
Thus, the world we live in has people making changes.
Some for size reasons and some for shape reasons.
More power to her if she did what she wanted.
I just don't get making fun of her for doing it.
It seems pretty grade school.
Yet, I do understand checkin her out afterwards.
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1. see scott a's post.
2. that made no sense.
3. again, that made no sense.
go ride dude. you need to release some of that frustrations in some other way than posting in here.
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THANK JOE! HAVE A GOOD DAY!
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Wow, look what fun I missed!
Chubby,
I could do without the caps.. thanks buddy!
On another note.. I'm disturbed by 18 year old girls getting implants. 
-Amy
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THANKS JOE I WILL GO RIDE HAVE A GOOD DAY!
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Chubby,
Don't take this message board too seriously. We're all just internet jockeys anyway! 
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please for the love of all that's holy, no more caps.
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Good point Steve!
Sorry !
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dane, don't get me wrong. i'm not/wasn't making fun of dallas for purchasing some boobies. it's her prerogative.
what i was saying above was that maybe other female riders were making fun of her or saying bad things because of the bolt-ons. we know how some women could be.
disclaimer: not intended to offend women. i didn't say "all," but "some," just like some men prefer c's or d's...some, not all.
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ok, no more triple-post, I fixed that. Everyone take their Ritalin, even though Tom Cruise says not to, and RELAX.
Ok, continue...get back on the subject.
here's my contribution:
I want to see her boobs. 
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Crap, if guys prefer C's or D's.. I definitely need implants too. Maybe Dallas will give me the name of her doctor.
-Amy
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Amy ~ I hear you....Let those babies develop before you get them bigger,cuss you never know.
How big??
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It's always been catty for the girls on tour. Come to think of it, there have been periods when it has been quite catty for guys on tour. It seems to be a tradition. Eastcoast vs Westcoast, Orlando vs West Palm, "New School" vs intelligence , Pickett crew vs the mainstream, etc... Same old stuff, somebody is always running off at the mouth.
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Big Ed,
That's the thing.. girls are still developing at that age. I'd at least wait until you're a 26 year old with small boobs who desperately needs implants to make that decision! 
How big?? HAHAHA! Check out Blake's profile.. not big!
-Amy
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IMO, natural is generally better unless there is some sort of abnormality (pasta comes to mind).
And, there is nothing worse than a bad boob job. Still, I think it is best to leave these decisions to the individual.
(Message edited by greatdane on June 29, 2005)
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Dococ,
Pickett crew vs the mainstream? What do you mean by that?
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It's only a matter of time until she catches wind of this thread and posts here. Then you'll all be kissing her ass and trying to justify your comments like last time. I don't think anyone here really knows her, except for maybe Hahn.
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That was Emily the 80's mag cover.
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GD,
I was only teasing.. I might have a small rack but I'm not getting implants! However, if other girls feel they need them - to each their own. 
-Amy
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Perfect.
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CHUBBY GO EAT ANOTHER DING DONG!!!!
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Wow!
I knew the tone this profile took would be a lightning rod for reaction.
As the one who wrote it, I can tell you when I interviewed Dallas she was frustrated/ focused on her lack of...what do you term it.. connection with the other riders. It wasn't the direction I thought it would go, but it went that way.
I was stoked, actually, to get such a candid glimpse into her life as she living it. I consider Dallas a friend, or at least she and I are friendly, and I've been front row to her career from the early days to now. She has a lot of positives going for her, but there's a lot of pressures (expectations)that come with her status in the game now as well. She's a great person but as an athlete, she's completely dominant.
Remember as well the stage of life she's in: she's a tremendous athlete who's skills are beyond her years, but when you're 14-18 virtually NO ONE here was being pulled away from their peer group to travel the world, swinging business deals, or at least having to do the leg work of trade shows/boat shows/appearances and contests that her management team has put in front of her. I've never heard her complain about it, but it has been atypical of someone her age.
Your high school years are where you become an adult. Dallas had this time period accellerated at a rate maybe someone else out there can understand, but I find difficult to grasp myself.
And without being intending any disrespect to any other female riders, there really hasn't been anyone able to lay down an ass kicking like Dallas hands out every time out in a comp, either on the guys or the women's side. I think she'd prefer her victories to come with a better sense of having earned it by beating a worthy foe.
Tara has done phoenominal things for womens wakeboarding, as has Emily, Maeghan, Melissa and several other front runners. Dallas has simply arrived at a whole different level. For sake of metaphor, just saying one level isn't enough. Some day there will be a female athlete that surpasses what Dallas is able to do move-wise. But can someone do it while dominating the competition? Right now Dallas' legacy will be difficult for anyone to overcome. The crazy thing is the gap is getting bigger literally every day.
All the other women riders right now are great athletes deserving to be thought of as the best in their field. But right now we, as a sport, are experiencing a happening that may never be duplicated.
Alright, I'm about ready to jump down off my soapbox. If you can come away from my diatribe with anything, just consider this: a story is just a snapshot, or maybe a series of snapshots, from a very short period in a person's life. So the camera, in this case, got her in just a brief moment of her overall existence. A cover and a feature story are intended to celebrate a great athlete. She actually had the idea for the title, which I thought was, in a literary sense, pretty witty.
As for the comments on her cosmetic enhancements, I agree with Amy Smith: to each their own. I think there are some preconceived notions that come along with enhanced breasts, sort of along the same lines as a tongue ring- it's either a self esteem issue or there's an underlying sexual intention. In this case, I'd like to suggest it's like an article of clothing that is more to the person's liking.
But then again, I'm not a fool. When I see a tongue ring on a chick, I figure there's gotta be some guy (or girl) out there who appreciates it for more than the cosmetic value.
Bottom line: Can';t we all just get together and flame Moose?
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Jeff ~ great post
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Thanks Ant. That was a three beer post from start to finish. Once the brew starts flowing, I can't shut up!
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Jeff,
Hey.. I have a tongue ring.. what are you trying to say!!
-Amy
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Well said JB.
Like you said to each their own on the cosmetic stuff. More power to her if she does have them. Fake breasts nowadays are no more shocking that getting your teeth whitened.
I just want to know if she has a Tattoo on the small of her back.
Because we all know what that means!!!!!!!
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I have a tattoo on my lower back too.
CRAP!!!
This really isn't looking good for me at all.
-Amy
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Amy- You really need to put your pic back up on your profile. The one that is up just doesn't do you justice!
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tongue ring and tattoo on lower back = 909
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Kraig,
Haha! Resourceful people check out Blake's profile..
Joe,
909?? Sorry, I'm dumb. You'll have to explain.
-Amy
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Amy,
Now were talking!!!!
Your one bad rehab from being a stripper.
Come live in my Guest house and I'll pay your Car Payment. There will be some tit-4-tat. no pun intended
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Jeff, thanks for that post.
Dallas is an amazing wakeboarder. And, I figure she still looks good with/without her "accessories".
It must be tough, in a social sense, being SO MUCH better than all the other pro women riders for SO MANY years.
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E Double U,
Hey!! 
I'm nowhere near being a stripper! I have several piercings and tattoos - what can I say?
No pun intended.. HAHAHA! Man, this thread is cracking me up.
-Amy
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Amy,
Im just giving you some Crap.
Not that there is anything wrong with being a stripper!!!
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909 = riverside county
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Hey, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it. Those ladies make a good living! It's just not my style.
-Amy
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Riverside County!!
COME ON!
Ventura County in the house!
-Amy
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hold up...do you wear trucker hats crooked, too? if so....
you are da 9-0-9!
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Joe,
HELL NO! I have never owned a trucker hat in my life.. come on!
-Amy
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hahaha!
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Joe ~ isn't 951 now?
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split 909/951. either way, amy's screamin' da 9-0-9!
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Jeff, a great and much needed post. I agree with everything you said. I don't think anyone can comprehend what it's like to be in her shoes at that age. She is being forced to make decisions, appearances, and business dealings at 18 that most people never make in a lifetime. At 18, my biggest worry was how to get beer for the night.
I hope Dallas continues to progress the sport as she has and I would love to see her ride head-2-head against some of the men.
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doc, oh no you know the pickett crew. If your down with the pickett crew your ooooooold schooool. haha been to pickett and spent a few weeks there.
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Joe,
I scream "southern california!".. every other girl around here has a pierced tongue and a lower back tattoo!
AntBug,
Traitor!
-Amy
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that's true. 
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Easy on the 951 Ant!!!!!! and Joe !!!
We're not all living in Beaumont!!
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damn why do you always call me out on everyting?
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Ain't Canyon Lake in Riverside Co? 
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canyon lake rules!
canyon lake rules!
canyon lake rules!
canyon lake rules!
canyon lake rules!
canyon lake rules!
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Rock on, JB!!!! Da Moose for Da President!!!!
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Eric you live in 619 and Jeff I don't have you number so sorry. I was just asking if 909 change to 951. I wanted to prove a point but damn I'm getting called out now. 818 representing
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805! 805! 805! 805!
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Hahn,
I never went out to Pickett, but I was listening as others spoke of it around the time that Gator and Buster moved out there, and I guess Clem was already out there, and of course Scott and the rest of that group. My impression is that they made a break, both physically and also in terms of their manner or involvement within the industry, from what was going on in Orlando and with the tour and all, like the Picket crew was just moving out there to get away and do their own thing. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it was just because it was affordable, but it seemed at the time like more of a symbolic move. Now that you mention it, maybe the "catty-ness" thing did not apply there. I don't know that they even cared enough about everybody else to even worry about talking about it, but I know that some riders who were not invited out there were prone to offer some criticisms. Just more of the same, when people are envious, they are prone to talk smack about that which they envy. Basic psychological defense mechanism, also known as "sour grapes." I meant no disrespect to anybody by my comments. I guess I was just recalling the various rifts that have surfaced within the small world of wakeboarding over the years. Some of them got pretty catty, you'll have to admit. Girls on tour talking down about others with breast implants, cars getting keyed, stuff like that. When Tara Hamilton first came out she was pretty much unbeatable. Seems like she was more isolated and not part of the "scene," as opposed to the others. Maybe it was her age, maybe her affiliation with Darin, but it seemed like more. Seemed like others didn't like the fact that she rode at a level so much higher than all the other women. In any case, I do not know Dallas, but maybe the situation is somewhat similar. You probably know much better than me what is going on these days. I'm just a part-time 'net jockey who now works way too much and rides way too little.
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Isnt Vail Lake in Riverside CO.
Actually Bug I live in Temecula.
My cell is 619 though
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All i know is that Dallas has tities and they are nice
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regarding what was said about cosmetic surgery...
cosmetic surgery IS the "self-prescribed" or "society-prescribed" panacea for various psychological dysmorphic phobias and the low self-esteem epidemic. if you don't believe that cosmetic surgery is related to low self-esteem, ponder this: no man or woman who is 100% happy with him/herself and his/her body gets cosmetic surgery done. it is called "cosmetic" surgery for a reason, because it - ironically, also like the person it is being performed on - is superficial, an elective. do NOT confuse cosmetic surgery with corrective surgery. cosmetic surgery is 100% NOT necessary.
if no one who is 100% happy with their own self and body would get cosmetic surgery done, then someone who is not 100% happy with their own self and body would get cosmetic surgery done. someone who is not happy with their own self and body - by definition - has self-esteem issues, and thus psychological issues. this is not to say that they are crazy; it is often easy for us to fear the word "psychological" b/c it is related to such feared diseases as dementia and bi-polar disorder. it is a psychological issue b/c it affects the person's psyche. in my opinion, someone who is considering cosmetic surgery should visit a psychiatrist instead of a plastic surgeon.
lastly, i believe it is more powerful a tool to go, be it suffer, through the journey of accepting yourself - and body - for just the way that you are, it is. if one make's changes, let it be to their persona - that's the only part of us that really matters, any way. and that's true happiness - not paid for happiness, not surgically implanted happiness - but TRUE happiness.
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I think many people see cosmetic surgery as a tune-up or an improvement opportunity, not a psychological disorder.
Something not very different from:
a hair style
painted nails
plucked eyebrows
working out for cosmetic reasons
dieting for cosmetic reasons
jewelry
tattoos
makeup
To some, a boob job is just a semi-permanent wonder bra.
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VERY well stated, Frankie! (you're smart, duh!)
But it wouldn't be WakeWorld without somebody offering critique, would it? I simply would ask you to substitute "mental health provider" broadly defined, because most psychiatrists these days will simply schedule a 15-minute appointment and send you home with a pill. Other types of mental health treatment might be preferable for many with self-esteem and/or body dysmorphic concerns.
Sorry, I digress. I find it sad that somebody with as much seemingly going for them as Dallas would feel the need to seek surgical enhancement. She is an important role model for lots of females, and she now will be providing a different sort of influential message.
I feel the same about Gwen Stefani. Rumor has it that she got her boobs done. In a world of Brittneys and WWF Divas, I felt Gwen was one of the only women left who sent a message that females can achieve success based on talent and natural beauty without aspiring to the artificial and ever-unrealistric Hollywood "standard." If the rumors are true, it is a very sad thing in my mind. The collective self-esteem of young women everywhere will have just suffered another blow.
But then again, who am I to judge what is right for Gwen, or Dallas, or the Monster Tower model, or whoever? I guess they did not ask to be role-models, or did they? I just feel bad for all the girls and women now who will look at Dallas, Gwen, or whoever and feel even worse about themselves as a result.
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Who are we to judge? Its Dallas' life/body not ours.
I know a woman who wants a tuck and a lift after birthing/feeding two children -- I don't see any problem with it -- if you can afford it, you want it and its available, then go for it.
Still, I also acknowledge that there is a big difference between a 40 year old doing this and an 18 year old.
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frankie, where'd you put the dictionary/thesaurus...i always need it reading your posts!
doc, whether they ask to be one or not, fact is, they ARE role models. don't you agree?
dane, with all due respect, improvement opportunity is working out, eating right, and not abusing (alcohol, tobacco drugs) the body.
as for dallas, she's 18. she's fully capable of making a decision as getting cosmetic surgery. but, i hope she keeps in mind that her body is still changing, and will continue to do so until she's in her mid 20's. (not saying that she would've grown 2 cup sizes in that time...but you never know!)
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And still no pic's of the new boobies.
Boooo...Booooo!
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While I believe Frankie was on the right track, I have to disagree with placing every cosmetic surgery with a disorder or low self esteem. Trust me, I've met many women that reeked of confidence and still opted for bigger breasts because they could. I believe you can look good, be confident and secure, and still see room for yet more improvement. In the entertainment industry one might make changes to build a more appealing look for a profession and at this point it may be more of an investment.
Totally unfair to label Dallas as a role model and expect her to base her life decisions on your expectations. Because of her professional life she should conform to what you believe is appropriate for her personal life? Totally unfair. Besides, this is wakeboarding, not the pop industry.
Some do have issues. I also believe that people that bash people that opt for cosmetic surgery have a different set of issues. I'm not suggesting that Frankie was bashing.
(Message edited by jarrod on June 30, 2005)
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LOL- Funny Cliff
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Frankie, that is a load of crap. I don't believe that there is anyone who is 100% happy with themselves or their body. So by "definition" everyone has psychological and self-esteem issues. If you didn't then you wouldn't be human.
So that means this boils down to judging people. And your post indicates that you think anyone who gets any sort of cosmetic surgery to be superficial. Which is what I think of your depth of thought put into this subject.
The saddest thing about this thread is I wouldn't doubt that Dallas has seen it. Discussing her attitude in public is one thing but going on and on about her alledged implants is another. I think that we should treat a fellow wakeboard (even a pro) a little more like a human than we do movie stars.
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J-Rod,
I totally agree. Just look at the overwhelming self esteem these girls have.
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bet they float well
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Holy crap!!
How would someone even have enough skin for that!
-Amy
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amy
looks like they had enough to remove skin from other places on those nasty bodies!!!
nnnaaasssttyyy
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ok, i think those are just nasty.
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cliff,
joe's holding out on you... there's a pic of them on his desktop.
doc oc.
no... not gwen! i loved her for being who she was, just the way she was. in fact, it was a true testament to her beauty that she seemed confident and happy with herself - just the way it was.
dane.
you can't compare major surgery to painted nails. having cosmetic surgery - like any surgery - will FOREVER alter your medical history, putting you at risk for a whole new set of diseases and disorders and decreasing your chances of surviving another surgery (perhaps a necessary one, like one that is needed to save your life after a heart attack or accident). i can't believe anyone would think that it is worth that? i mean, i can't believe that any one person would think that the risk (and it is just that) of being "beautiful" (and as discussed before, it's not a real beauty or real happiness) is worth compromising your life. to me, NOTHING is worth compromising your life... that's all we have.
using breast implants as an example...
i do research on ovarian/breast cancer for two gynecologic oncologists, so it's part of my job to read medical literature regarding various causes or theories of ovarian/breast cancer. about half of the women in our study who have been diagnosed with cancer have had breast implants - i know b/c it's in their chart, b/c it is now part of their medical history and will forever play a factor in their health issues for the rest of their lives, 'til death do them part. it is a plastic surgeon's obligation to inform his elective patient of the risks involved. unfortunately, b/c the patient believes that this operation is the "cure" for their self-esteem issues, they are often too distracted to pay attention to the serious risks. after breast aug. surgery...
1. b/c it's surgery your body feels as though it's been hit by a truck - as it should b/c you needed blood transfusion, just to keep you alive.
2. your body undergoes a major immune response to the foreign objects that are now in your chest region and very close to the heart.
3. massive scar tissue builds around the plastic bags on the muscle that has been internally bruised and stretched.
4. b/c of that, every year you need an MRI - NOT a mammogram b/c mammograms aren't accurate enough to detect cancer. elective MRI's aren't covered by HMOs or insurance companies. Even so, the implants themselves may hide tumors and can even obstruct the heart under MRI.
5. every two years, you HAVE to have another surgery. now most people think it's recommended - no. if you want to be sure that your body doesn't develop cancer due to all the scaring in your chest, you need surgery. during the surgery, the doctor removes the build up of scar tissue that could lead to cancer or an immunological disease.
some stats/info:
- 75% of all breast aug. patients have to have another surgery 2 years post their first one due to complications.
- in someone that young, breast implants have been linked to neurological disorders as well - as the nervous system is not fully developed until you are circa 25.
- for every 3 women who get a boob job, 1 who already had one gets hers removed due to complications or personal reasons.
what if the mommy-of-two gets a tummy tuck and then dies of an undiagnosed hernia as a result of the surgery? or what if she develops polyps and they become cancerous (as they often do)? (these are two likely outcomes from someone who has undergone GI surgery) so mommy-of-two dies and leaves behind two kids... but she has a nice tummy to be buried with 6 feet under ground???
it's just not worth it. NOTHING cosmetic should be worth your own life - and the life of your family. if one thinks that it is, then i would say there is something wrong and something deeper to take care of - without surgery.
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Well, this post has really degenerated. My original intent was to discuss what seemed to be a poor attitude. Thanks for your post Jeff Barton, it has given me some items to consider further. I don't feel bad for her situation, it's one which she has chosen and I think that you have to be prepared to take the good and the bad. Unfortunately at 16-18, I don't know that you can be, and she certainly has a lot on her plate.
I agree that she didn't sign on to be a role model, but then that comes with the teritory. Kinda like trying to buy a new car with the engine left out...doesn't really work that way. Problem is the more you reject that role, the more you will find that the rest of it goes away and isolation sets in.
I won't address the "other" issues, as it was not part of my intent in starting this thread.
Just in case she does decide to peek in:
Perhaps I have assigned more importance to your comments than necessary. Good Luck Dallas on another fine season...try not to let the "celebrity" get in the way of your personal and professionl relationships...hopefully someone will come along to challenge you in a positive way in both of those arenas as well.
Eric
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john.
"So by 'definition' everyone has psychological and self-esteem issues. If you didn't then you wouldn't be human."
yes, to some extent we all do. yet, the psyche and that which affects it is on a continum. i have known women who couldn't even get out of bed b/c they were afraid to see what they looked like that day and i have met women who refused to wear open-toe shoes b/c they hated the way their little toe looked. both have body-conscious issues; but as any intelligent person can see, one is differnt from the other in severity to the psyche. as you say, we are all human and therefore we are all flawed. thank you for proving my point.
"Which is what I think of your depth of thought put into this subject."
well that just sounds like a deus ex machina; but you are entitled to your opinion.
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thanks frankie i have a mole im scared to get taken off now
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pat.
well, in your case, having the mole may put you at a higher risk of getting skin cancer than getting it removed. and that is not cosmetic surgery - that is a necessary procedure.
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panacea
NOUN: Something believed to cure all human disorders
Hold on..... Can we slow down? I'm still on Frankies first post.
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THANKS FRANKIE
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Help....Help... I have been threadjacked!!!!
J/K
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Frankie take is easy with all these BIG words. Remember we're wakeboarders not Doctor's.
Hahn ~ Thanks. I was going to look that one up
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Eric
Come On!
Your original post came off as a sound bite for Entertainment Tonight.
Has Dallas's success gone to her head??? Tune in tonight for our exclusive coverage.
NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH...DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH... (in my best ET theme song voice)
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Eric is right, let's get back to the topic of her interview. I sat down and read the piece last night. Dallas was right on the money. The women on tour have not been able to compete at the same level as Dallas. Like I stated before, they have shunned her because of her skill level. Like the title of her interview, "Lonely at the top" You can often find Dallas at any Pro Tour stop sitting by herself or with her mother. Many of the other female competitors will acknowledge her but are not sincere when they see her simply because of envy or intimidation. The other athletes will mumble things beneath their breath being very catty, excluding her from friendly conversation.
Here is an outstanding young female athlete, at the top of her game, pushing the sport to a whole new level for female riders everywhere. Dallas takes her career very seriously, riding daily to progress her skill level and open up new doors for the next generation of female riders.
I would like to be clear when I say that I enjoy watching Emily, Lauren, Melissa and the rest of the women ride. Particularly because they ride better than me! But this thread began with an opinion on her interview. It was taken to another level that had nothing to do with Eric's opinion, which he is entitled to.
I'm curious to know how many people on this thread have actually read the interview. I encourage you to go out and get a copy of Wakeboarding Magazine, read the piece and comment on the future of women’s professional wakeboarding. In my opinion, it doesn't look very bright. If more of the female riders don't step it up, the Pro Tour will be forced to cancel future events and all female riders, both pro and non pro, will suffer.
Dallas is an excellent role model, superior athlete and friend. I would ask all of you to consider her feelings and what she has done for women in this sport before you make comments on her personal life that have nothing to do with wakeboarding.
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Man I'm gonne for a day and.....Sheeesh!
My life has been full of....It's not gonna be me cuss this and that and THAT..I'm never gonna do because I know better.....Well for everybody that thinks they are imuned(sp)? to society and thinking they will NEVER......Just don't say it cuss you will find yourself doing it tomorrow.
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Amy ~ Tongue ring and tattoo on the small of your back.....Nice,I'm sure Blake will enjoy the tongue ring more then for it's good looks.
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Hahn,
Another thought...do you think she has pulled Women's boarding to another level? I say no, because if no one else can compete at that level it's not much of a competition is it? Do we have another Anika Sorenstam (sp) on our hands? Will Dallas move to compete with the men?
I think it is great to see a woman doing so well in a sport dominated by guys. I think it makes watching women's boarding a little underwhelming when the only suprise is who finishes second or third.
Eric
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Patrick,
I know, right? That is just horrifying.
Big Ed,
Hahaha! You betcha!
-Amy
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After all the posts and all the threads....I'm sure poor Blake got...00
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After all the posts and all the threads....I'm sure poor Blake got...00 }
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After all the posts and all the threads....I'm sure poor Blake got...00 }}
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WHAT?!?!
HAHAHAHA! Oh crap, that was f'ing hilarious.
-Amy
(Message edited by socalgrl79 on June 30, 2005)
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Frankie, thanks for the info. It is interesting. I appreciate your physical health argument more than your mental health argument.
I still think your original post was harsh. Many people get one or two procedures in their lives and it's no big deal provided they sign up to the risk, they are well informed and they pay the bills.
Most people getting cosmetic surgery do not have the freakish self-esteem issues that you described.
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Really,Really ,I didn't mean to post that 3 times...I don't know what happend?
My damm computer!
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I agree GD,just because a person wants to get a penis enlargement I meen his teeth whiten doesn't mean they have low self-esteem.
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hey seattle, looks like your crew brought their own fat sacks.
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Good post Jeff Barton and Hahn, seems like you guys have a true representation of what is really going on, I totatlly agree. I didnt read most of the threads since a lot of them were hijacked with useless crap. but this quote right here hit the nail on the head;
quote:Many of the other female competitors will acknowledge her but are not sincere when they see her simply because of envy or intimidation. The other athletes will mumble things beneath their breath being very catty, excluding her from friendly conversation.
I think that statement is sad but so true especially amongst females even outside of the sporting events. Heck, I catch my own wife looking at another womans shoes or body type and naturally being jealous or filled with envy. In my opinion, its natural for most women to have a sort of "detestation" for other women (I am sure I will get flamed for that one). Especially a woman who is dominating. Case in point, I don't see any guys hating on Parks Bonifay or shunning him. I guess what I am getting at is from an outsiders perspective is her attitude and actions are normal considering her level of riding and titles she holds.
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Dallas is the greatest woman in the sport. But, I think she is only great because not that many women pursue wakeboarding. The sampling of women is too low. If a ton more women with gymnastics skills pursued wakeboarding Dallas would have lots of competition.
And...
Why do women bag on each other so bad?
Why do so many women not have female friends?
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Gymnastics.. damn, I was a gymnast for years and I suck at wakeboarding!
I'm definitely doing something wrong.
-Amy
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So Amy are you not gonna address the questions that GD has?
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"alleged implants," hahahaha! ok dude, if you refuse to believe, that's cool.
by the way, frankie, for the love of god, please use smaller words!!!
oh, lucky for me that frankie has been blessed so she won't need to purchase boobies!
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Yes use smaller word!Thanks joe
Joe but what about a lift in a decade?
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I can't answer that for everyone, I can only give my opinion.
I think a lot of women are insecure, so they find it necessary to insult other women they are jealous of.. in order to feel better about themselves.
Also, I don't know why women don't have a lot of female friends. I have a pretty good group of girlfriends, so that hasn't been much of a problem for me.
-Amy
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So sorry Amy...I'm being sarcastic today and I guess a little annoying.
One of those boring days for me that I wanted to ride but couldn't and now I'm bitter.
WakeWorlders should watch out today!
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Big Ed,
I'm bitter too, I'm on call this weekend.. including the 4th! Don't get me started on being stuck in Seattle.
-Amy
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Well I was supposted to move on the 1st which would give me the whole weekend to get ready(so I didn't plan ANYTHING)and now I can't move in until the 6th.NO PLANS for 4th of july and everybody is gone.don't wanna ride cuss the water is gonna be shiet.
THIS SUCKS!!!
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"alleged implants," hahahaha! ok dude, if you refuse to believe, that's cool. Joe, your ability to read a post, come away completely missing the point, and drawing a erroneous conclusion is second to none.
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Dudes,
Dallas just got a B cup which looks natural with her body size. Meghan Major just got D's which is a bit too much, Tara Hamilton got C's and looks alright, and Emily wants a reduction... go figure. Haha,
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i didn't miss the point at all. i just thought your use of "alleged" was funny. the conclusion i came up with was for that comment, not the rest of your post. i totally understood your point, but see frankie's point as well. but, your needing to berate me (or anyone) isn't necessary to get your point across.
as for treating her like a human being and less like a movie star, i agree. but, like it or not, in our sport, she is a celebrity. as long as she's in the spotlight, there will always be a microscope on her, just like there's one on parks, when he parties and tries to act like a normal 20-something. so, knowing that, they have somewhat of an obligation to conduct themselves in a professional manner. we must remember that that is part of their job description.
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You guys crack me up.
I've saw Dallas earlier this year and "yes" she has fake boobs... I also saw Cathy Williams and "yes" she has fake boobs too...!
The Fu has spoken!
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and when the fu speaks, you better listen!
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"and Emily wants a reduction... go figure."
(in my best Darth Vader imitation).. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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Joe, when you make a flippant remark about someone you shouldn't be surprised if the response isn't to your liking. When someone says that something is alleged it doesn't mean they refuse to believe it to be true. I also don't believe that getting implants is considered a failure to meet an obligation to act in a professional manner.
I see Frankie's point as well once he took the time out to explain it a little further. I wouldn't want either of my daughters to get breast implants. However his first post struck me as insensitive ridicule, and it wouldn't suprise me if Dallas did end up seeing this thread as I believe she has posted on this forum in the past.
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Frankie is a she.
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John, FYI, Frankie is a girl. Actually, Joe's GF.
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john, you're absolutely right. when you said "alleged," i couldn't come up with any other conclusion except that you didn't or refused to believe it. i'm sorry you found my being amused by your comment disrespectful. i should have worded it better. my apologies.
as for her obligation to act in a professional manner, i didn't mean to imply that getting breast implants is unprofessional. i was going back to what people were saying about her (ie; her interview).
and yeah, i'm the luckiest man alive as frankie is my girlfriend. her real name is francisca (pronounced fran-sis-ka, not fran-ches-ka).
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i just wish that dallas would get some sponsors that would feature her in an ad once in awhile. she is so far above the competition, but i can't remember the last time she was pumped up by obrien or bare, she should have way bigger names!!!
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I realize there were a lot of good points made here, but I have to just throw in my disagreement:
Frankie: I respect that you're passionate about your disapproval of cosmetic surgery, but the statement about everyone who has had it being superficial is a bit much, in my opinion. A couple of other people have already said it, but it is true that a lot of people who get cosmetic surgery don't necessarily have big self-esteem issues, nor are they superficial. As I said, I respect your opinion, but I think your first post is bashing and demonstrates a lack of acceptance of other people's views and is a little close-minded... mainly because of your accusation.
(Message edited by gypsy12 on June 30, 2005)
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tara.
while i respect your opinion as well, i cannot and will not accept anyone who values being beautiful above being alive or being healthy. listen to that statement again... "value being beautiful above being alive or being healthy."
su·per·fi·cial ( P ) Pronunciation Key (spr-fshl)
adj.
1. Of, affecting, or being on or near the surface
2. Concerned with or comprehending only what is apparent or obvious
3. Apparent rather than actual or substantial
4. Trivial; insignificant
cosmetic surgery by a traditional definition, by medical definition, is an alteration of the superficial - versus an invasive procedure (although now some procedures have become quiet invasive)- and entirely elective. the adj. superficial is traditionally used as an anatomical term to denote the location and extent to which the surgery is performed. the word "superficial" comes from the meaning "at the surface" (def #1). ironically, it is also used to describe things or people who are only "skin deep".
do i think someone who values having the perfect nose versus being alive is being superficial? yes. they are choosing to place more value on a superficial alternation than on their own being, their personality, their soul, mind, creativity, etc. (def #2/#3) that's why they ultimately choose to get the surgery done b/c having a perfect nose or perfect boobs - ie. having a superficial alteration - is more important to them than possibly getting cancer, an immune disease or neurological disorder, a heart attack, blood disorders, etc.
i've interviewed women who cry about how much pain they are in, how awful the chemo is, and how they are afraid to die, and how they hate this cancer, and how they can't believe how stupid they were to get them done, how stupid they were to think that 300 cc's of fluid would make them happy. are they happy now? no, they are suffering and you know what? they are going to die. they are going to miss out on the things that truely are important. and sadly, it is only now that they will realize how (def #4) insignificant those material implants were. material implants...materialism... one who values materials = materialist.
so yes, one who values materials - and this applies to anything, not just cosmetic materials - above other things of true substance like intelligence, empathy, your soul, your personality, etc., is a materialist in my book; is superficial in my book.
what do you call it then? (i have successfully used all 4 def. of “superficial” in my explanation.)
look, i don’t like my nose, but i accept my nose. it’s big and it has a bump on it (ask joe, he’ll tell you… he makes fun of me all of the time for it). but i am not my nose. if i define myself as my nose, i am being superficial, as i equate my own value to something superficial. instead, i place value on what is important… i am intelligent, empathetic, and creative; i have a bright future, and a genuine concern and desire to want to help people medically. i think about that, and my nose doesn’t even bother me anymore… it’s on the surface… what’s important is much deeper. if i choose to get a cosmetic nose job, i have then placed importance on my nose’s appearance – which is superficial.
i don’t see how you can argue with that?
so what if you don’t have the perfect chin, brow, butt, boobs, nose, tummy, etc. so what? WHO cares? That’s NOT what matters… those things are all “of the surface”. Not to sound like an after-school special, but it is who you are that counts.
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which is exactly why she's with me, cause it ain't what's on the outside!
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joe.
no way... they don't call you "hot tamale" for nothing . besides, i could say the same thing about why you are with me - "'cause it ain't what's on the outside!"
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To each their own!
Frankie ~ you might have your smarts to fall on,but some people are not that gifted or fortunate so they make themselves feel better by doing cosmetic surgery.
Some people had their looks all their life and now it's a little too much to bare with the hanging skin and all,so they do cosmetic surgery....doesn't make them any less of a women.
For you it's easy to say that your nose doesn't matter b\c Joe excepted your looks and he is not complaining.Now if you were single and lonely and every guy you were interested in gave you a complex about you nose...I think you wouldn't be so quick to judge.
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Frankie, an obvious intellectual, is with Joe. Joe, would you say that it's true: opposites attract?
Frankie, great analysis by the way.
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ouch
i guess you're right.
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Frankie,
Let me ask you this question. Many women, after having children have elected for cosmetic surgery due to the effects of breast feeding. Do you feel that these women are superficial or insecure? I've seen the effects breast feeding can have and don't blame women for enhancing themselves to look better.
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hahn.
the answer is in your post... "enhancing themselves to look better (on the surface)". they should be celebrating the fact that they are mommies and should dedicate their lives to their new found joys - that's where their happiness should lie. if it lies in a bag full of saline, then yes. if they think that it is worth dying and leaving their children motherless to "look better", then yes.
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Cosmetic surgery can also be viewed as just changing something about yourself you don't like. If it bothered me more that I only know english, I would go learn another language. But it doesn't. It bothers me that I can't do a 360, so I've taken lessons. And yes, I wasn't happy about my nose, so I had work done on that (in addition to some internal corrections for a deviated septum, so insurance took care of half).
To me, being superficial (and maybe this is my own definition) is judging someone by something that they have no control over. When I check out girls, I'm open to all ethnicities - something they don't have control over. But I'll admit it - a 300 lb girl does nothing for me regardless of personality. Yes, potentially there's a glandular problem, but realistically, the chance is pretty low.
Admittedly I'm not as much a breast man (more a butt guy), but if they look better one way than another, then let her have it...as long as its not the HHH's in that earlier picture. YUCK!
And surgery's are getting safer all the time. How many women have developed cancer from surgerys in the past couple years vs 20 years ago? Are you saying Lasik surgery is not good either? People have been using glasses and contacts for decades and its not such a big deal, so is that surgery purely cosmetic?
(Message edited by sloshake on June 30, 2005)
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like glasses and contact lenses, lasik is corrective, last time i checked.
those that can't afford lasik wear glasses or contact lenses. those that can't afford contact lenses, buy a pair of glasses. (are contact lenses are more expensive in the long run vs. glasses?)
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Lasik raises a great question. Seriously, how do you feel about that, Frankie?
Simply by natural process, vision degrades somewhat over time (earlier for some, later for others). Similarly, certain body parts may also slowly "degrade" over time (earlier for some, later for others).
So, the question is, is lasik somehow different than, say, breast augmentation. There are plenty of horror sites out there about what can go wrong with vision correction. Do you feel that people who opt to have their vision artificially enhanced are equally reckless as those that you've written about earlier?
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This is all great conversation...
Anyone have any pics?
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Right on Frankie...my wife and I have had similar discussions recently. We just welcomed our first son 7 months ago and she is already complaining about the effects of breastfeeding. I tell her she is crazy, but in my opinion she does indeed have some self-esteem issues. I don't think she would ever actually go through with any sort of nip/tuck, but she has thought about it.
Think back 20 years ago when cosmetic surgery was still in its infancy. It was viewed as radical and extreme, it was not widely accepted. Today, however, in our "perfect" world created for us by Hollywood and the media, you have women signing up in droves to get that perfect look. I think it is ridiculous and I think it proves the degradation of our social values when, as Frankie put it, we value the superficial over what is inside the person. Why do you think anti-drepressants sell by the billions? Because the world is becoming a cold shallow place where people have forgotten what is important.
Jb
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Frankie, sorry about the gender mixup. I do usually look at profiles but I didn't in this case.
Joe, I'm glad you have such a wonderful girlfriend. No offensive taken and vice versa I hope.
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Well since this is now a thread about cosmetic surgery I'll throw in my .02:
Are luxury cars bad? Are pimped out boats bad? Is wearing clothes you think make you look good bad? All these things could be a problem if you became obsessive about them and spent too much money or ruined your life, etc. You could argue that Ferraris are dangerous due to all the power and speed and that there's something psychologically wrong with someone who wants one.
but I think a better example is braces. Why are braces just fine with everyone? Why is it okay to have cosmetic surgery done on one's teeth and no-one will say it shows a sign of a problem, but there's something wrong with a girl if she wants bigger breasts?
We like to look good and feel good about ourselves. I agree that I think many people should go about things as naturally as possible but I'm not going to fault the parents of a 14 year old, who can't quit eating, when they get their kid's stomach stapled. Nor am I going to fault a girl who wants bigger breasts, or straighter hair, or a tan, etc., etc.
Here's my story: I went to Poland for a few years and while there my digestive system went all screwy and I got acne BAD! Like the poor kid that every highschool has, who's face is one gross red mess. I hated it and I felt like crap! I got the digestive problem taken care of on my own without meds and I now eat healthier than anyone I know. But my face was scarred pretty badly. So when I got home I had laser surgery performed. There are still some scars but I feel a million times better. Should I have accepted my body?
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Josh, no you shouldn't feel bad. I think everyone has at least some part of them that makes that feel bad and how they chose to deal with it, is just that, their choice. If they know the medical, physical or emotional risks that go along with their decision and still wish to take those chances then it is completely up to that individual. We will never live in a society that completely accepts individuals for what is inside vs. what is outside, so there will always be that pressure to be picture perfect. If someone is able to be 100% happy with their physical appearance and not feel the pressure of society to be perfect then that is great and I hope that more people can get to that place, but for now most of us continue to feel the pressure to fit in and will have to live with the choices that we make whether right or wrong.
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I have to disagree with you Josh, braces are not on the same level as the invasive cosmetic surgery we have been discussing. Reread Frankie's physical risks associated with cosmetic surgery. How can you compare that to braces, what is the biggest medical complication with braces, kanker sores?
As for your situation with laser surgery for scarring, that was your decision and I hope it was the right one for you.
Of course we all want to be attractive to the opposite sex (and sometimes same, though that is a completely different topic), but playing the "society" card is a cop out. IMO our "society" is headed down a path of moral deprivation, sorry, but I don't really want to follow.
Jb
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Josh, it is great that you can be completely happy with yourself and what you were given. I wish I could feel the same, but honestly I am not. I would not consider plastic surgery for enhancement reasons, but if I suddenly became disfigured I might consider it for reconstructive reasons and it would be my choice whether right or wrong. Call me vain, but I don't know that I could walk around in society and not be bothered by people staring at me. I work with a child with a syndrome that disfigures her face. SHe is undergoing laser surgeries several times a year to fix it. I see her visably upset by the cruelty of other children on a daily basis. I do not question her or her mothers choices for trying to make her feel better about herself. Yes breast augmentation can be invasive, but so can the radiation and chemo that cancer patients undergo. I do not agree at all with breast augmentation, but do believe in an individuals choice to do what they feel is the right choice for them. It is your right to have an opinion on what someone else does, but it is not fair to judge someone when you don't know their reason for doing what they do.
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I really don't feel comfortable giving my opinion on this topic until I see some pics.
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Regarding cosmetic surgery, I appreciate the health concerns, yet I do not appreciate the harsh mental health associations.
If a woman has small saggy breasts, I don't see a problem with her filling them up.
If a woman has huge obscure breasts, I don't see a problem with her shrinking them up.
To each of these women, a relatively simple surgery is corrective and elective.
I feel Frankie's point of view is idealistic and not realistic.
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I thought I'd point out the obvious. Apples and oranges. Invasive cosmetic surgery to fix a diagnosed physical deformity vs. invasive cosmetic surgery to fix self-esteem.
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"I feel Frankie's point of view is Idealistic and not realistic"
I feel the SAME way!!
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Wow.. this thread is still going.
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....and still no pics.
Alright, I'm starting to feel like a dirty old man. I'll stop asking if anyone has any pics...
..unless someone does.
anyone?
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WOW...and you still have Blake's pic in your profile!
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SoCalrider,
I have pics.. I've posted them in other threads.
Big Ed,
Yes I do, and it's staying there!
-Amy
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does anyone else have a hard time finding a news stand that sells Wakeboarding Magazine? that damn thing is impossible to find around here....Barnes and Noble is hit or miss with it...seems like some months they will carry it and other months they don't...anyway, I'll try to find a copy of it somewhere this weekend to read Dallas' interview to see what the hype is all about.
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Implants are dual porpose. When your young, they look good. When you get old, you can take off your bra and it streightens out the wrinkels in your face.
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Oh Melissa, I never claimed that I don't look at myself and wish a few things were different. However, I prefer to focus on the other many gifts God has given me. What are you worried about exactly, do you have a tail we can't see behind that surfboard or something? From what I can see, you shouldn't have anything to worry about.
As root pointed out, you continue to compare apples to oranges. Corrective treatments (cosmetic or otherwise) and elective cosmetic surgery are 2 completely different things. I am not insensitive to the cruelty of others (particularly kids), but a little self-respect goes a long way. Family, close friends, and someone who loves you for who you are, not what you look like are all people really need. The media has programmed us all to be extremely selfish. Work harder, buy more, live less. Those are the messages "society" has for us. (In my best cheesy infomercial voice) For just $2995 per breast, you too can look just like Pamela Lee!.
I could keep on and on, but I think I will step down from my soapbox now.
Jb
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Speaking of Pamela Anderson, I think she is on her fourth boob job (medium, large, medium, huge).
She has made a career from her breasts. And, now she is on a sitcom based on her "circus" boobs.
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"I feel Frankie's point of view is idealistic and not realistic"
Idealistic and realistic are terms that don't make sense to me when used in this context. Realistically, everyone is going to have an opinion. It's idealistic to for all opinions to match my own.
To say that cosmetic surgery poses some serious health problems is 100% realistic.
To say that breast augmentation is done because a lack of self-esteem is 100% realistic.
It's a personal call to decide wheather impoved self-esteem is worth the potential risk associated with surgery.
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There aren't health risks associated with braces? My brother's jaw is completely screwed up because of braces.
Thanks Melissa, I think you have a unique perspective on how someone who really know's they're disfigured feels. My face was so digusting in Poland that there were people staring all the time and I would hear kids comment about it. I think people should be careful about casting the first stone when they've never experienced something like that.
I will admit though that my surgery was because of self-esteem issues.
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This does not apply towards Dallas (a hot young lady) with/without "accessories"...
But, we are living breathing loving creatures who have a bias towards beauty.
If someone has a wart on their nose, its not a self esteem problem, its a wart problem.
So, I still say that general dispersions toward cosmetic procedures are out of line.
Some cosmetic surgery removes real pain in the real world.
Some cosmetic surgery simply adds real pleasure in the real world.
And, some cosmetic surgery is a waste and a symptom of self esteem issues.
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"tara.
while i respect your opinion as well, i cannot and will not accept anyone who values being beautiful above being alive or being healthy. listen to that statement again... "value being beautiful above being alive or being healthy."
so frankie is saying that if we could guarantee that the process would not endanger your health, it would be fine to undergo it?
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If someone wants to correct a cosmetic problem that is noticable by others then I wouldn't call it a self-esteem issue. GD's wart comment is a good example. I recall a woman that worked in a local store that had a wart that you couldn't help but have your eyes drawn to. If she decided to get it removed I wouldn't think for an instant that she lacked self-esteem.
There are ample studies that show that beautiful people have the skids greased a bit in the workspace. So the desire to improve one's looks could stem from ambition as a calculated means to an end, and not simply low self-esteem.
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Chris, there are no guarantees in life. You evaluate the risks and tradeoffs. How many people here value wakeboarding over life and health? Or motorcycle riding? Or even driving to work? All of these things can kill you or negatively impact your health. All of us take risks and no one has the right to proclaim you are a fool or psychologically deficient for doing so.
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Great point John! Why didn't I think of that?
Maybe it's sounding extreme, but it totally makes sense then to say that we value driving and flying on airplanes more than we value our lives if we choose to do them. Look at the statistics on how many people are killed in car accidents, yet we still choose to get on the roads every day.
So many cosmetic procedures these days have such minimal risk factors. For example, since physicians have started using the "tumescent" technique in liposuction, there has not been ONE report of serious adverse effects. Also, the patient doesn't even undergo anesthesia for this procedure most of the time. Knowing these things and deciding to go for it is definitely not a case of valuing one's appearance more than his or her life. It's an enhancement to one's life!
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Wow. Perhaps it’s time for a new title on the Dallas Thread?
Funny how some threads keep going and going and going….
Yes Hahn… I got a chance to read the article last night too. To address the initial point of the thread… it could be cattiness, jealousy, or just spin from the mag. If she is crushing her competition it’s probably a combination of three.
I don’t really follow the pro wakeboard scene for the men or women… so I can’t comment on her role for the progression of the sport…. But for me and most of my friends that do wakeboard…. It’s safe to say that we don’t look at these kids as roll models. (call me old if you must) Wakeboarding is about having fun on the water with friends and family. If it was about progression… I’m not doing so well.
She’s young… cut her a bit of slack if she sounds like she whines or has a bit of an attitude. We all did at that age… go to the other WB site if you can’t remember that far back.
Now to the boobies… nice pic Cliff…. Are those CGA approved??
Amy, Stop holding out on the pics… people are waiting.
Frankie, (just some friendly feedback… not bashing) although well written… I have to agree that you previous posts do come across as a bit idealistic. It’s not that cut and dry…. Not all cosmetic procedures have some underlying psychological root. And not all procedures result in cancer and death.
Easy now… cancer, car crash, boating accident…. What ever the cause… We all die one day… It’s a big jump to generalize all cosmetic surgery leading to death. If you have that much energy and awareness about cancer…. My first recommendation would be to get Joe to stop smoking… then focus on your career in the medical field and make a difference there. (oh yeah… and like Joe said… this is WW after all… ease on the vocab ) And for the record… not sure why Joe would have any issue with your nose. 
Time to go… can’t be late for my superficial tanning cancer bed appointment…. Or my self esteem might get even worse…
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Jeff,
Haha! My pictures are plastered all OVER this board.. you just have to be resourceful!
-Amy
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I note that nobody has presented evidence that refutes Frankie's statements as to the consequences of the surgery.
I don't read her posts as saying "have the surgery and it's 100% you'll die from its complications." She's saying, have the surgery and here's what your chances become.
It's hard to "prove" but I'd bet Frankie is also correct on what drives most or almost all (not all) women to undertake those risks. As Dylan said, "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."
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So I just scrolled all the way down to the bottom of the page...ignoring Frankie's Posts, b/c my IQ isn't that high, and i get to the bottom and what do I see?!?!?!?!?!?!! NO PICTURES! Damn, I was hoping to get another angle on them...I've only got one pic of the new goodies...
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If getting surgery makes somebody feel better, or more confident about themselves then whynot have it. It's a personal choice, and a big decission, but I dont see why its a bad thing to make yourself feel better by having surgery. Yes it's what god gave us in the first place, but if you will feel more secure and better about yourself then it's the better thing to do.
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let her get her boobs done how ever she wants its not your choice
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On a different note, I was just pleased to see her grab the board in a couple of shots. I'd almost have to say she is showing a bit if good style on that cover shot!
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quite frankly frankie, I think your posts in this thread are great.
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I don't know how this thread went from talking about dallas to bashing women who choose to have their boobs done, but it did. And Frankie do you think by your post you are going to change a girls opinion? First of all your facts are not accurate. 1. If 75% of women had to have their breasts redone after 2 years than 9/12 girls i know with implants would have had to of gone through this so called procedure. 2. BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS? What????? Yes they do happen, but not normally! You have a blood transfusion on very rare occasions from breast augmentation. 3. The fact that you are saying that having a foreign object so close to the heart would be a bad thing, yea foreign objects aren't great but what about pacemakers... That's very close to the heart. 4. MRI's? I've talked to many doctors and i have researched this and i have been assured that Mammograms will detect cancer. Ok my point. Yes, every surgery has it's risk. But you are making it sound like having your boobs done is just the worst thing ever! I plan on having mine done, and the reasons for that sure theyre superficial whatever. I have worked my a$$ off to have a good body, by the time i have my surgery (february) my body will be in the exact shape that i want it. But from gaining and losing weight my breasts have taken their toll. I just have worked so hard for my body, i do want it to be perfect. I do not have a low self esteem by no means, i just would like to have nicer breasts. That's all! Ok i'm superficial hate me! I just don't understand who the hell you are to judge people who decide to have them? There will always be arguments on this topic, but just leave it to the woman who is actually having its decision! Please! Can we please move on now with the dallas friday discussion jeez!
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Dammit itch, I already have that pic!...I wanna see some others.
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Nikki ~ I think you should wait till you are older.No matter how small your breasts are at this point in time they are still developing.IMO
My grandma always said,girls that want bigger boobies and are still young should not wear anything tight to constrict and should sunbath them.She says it makes them grow.
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Nikki,
Do you need a ride to your Appt?
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Big ed- That's hilarious! I need to meet your grandmother! Honestly i don't think my boobs are growing anymore theyve been this way for quite some time, but i will see. I haven't made any 100% decisions yet i just know i have my consult in november. But i know a lot of women who have had it, and are completely happy with their decisions.
E Double U: Lol, you're joking right?
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I think you are gonna be happy with your decisions either way b\c it is all about you but with yourself not being even out of your teens....you might be pleasently surprized,remember no constricting clothes and let the sun see them. it is a true story...not making it up,I swear.
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Nikki,
If you don't mind me asking.. how old are you?
-Amy
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I'm going by her profile.....I don't know Nikki personally tho she seems like a kewl girl.
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Hi Big Ed!
I am hungover this morning and ready to jump out the window if my head doesn't stop pounding. How are you?
-Amy
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Amy, i'm 19... Please no bashing here i totally don't need it lol. I was just trying to make a point that this guy is going by some info that is very outdated, and isn't completely true. And that not all women who want implants are self absorbed, materialistic and have a low self esteem.
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Hey Amy,
didn't have any plans for the 4th...I thought I was moving.. so now I'm bored and I guess feeling better then you.but at least you had fun last night.
Nikki ~ Amen to that one!
(Message edited by big_ed_x2 on July 03, 2005)
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Nikki,
I'm not going to bash you at all.. a very good friend of mine has implants and she's a lovely person. I'll never think less of her for that or any other cosmetic surgery she or anyone else would get. I was just curious.. because at your age you are probably still growing and you might want to wait a little bit. To each their own, good luck if you decide to get them.
Big Ed,
I'm feeling okay now.. all it took was four extra strength Exedrine and Red Bull! Thanks to AntBug for sending them to me!
-Amy
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All I can say is my wifes friend got implants she had an affair soon after. Another firend got implants she also had an affair. A friend of mines wife got implants she had an affair. and on and on it goes he he he
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Wow, implants are to blame for infidelity too!
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poser007 - I have a theory on that... but first, do you happen to know if the Husbands paid for those boob jobs?
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Daniel ,.
Were you on the receiving end of any of those affair's?
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hahahhahahha thats hilarious, see i don't really have time to date at the moment... So no affairs!
Oh and amy thanks, i was hoping you wouldn't bash me! I am going to research this a bit more, i have done quite a bit of researching/talking but it never crossed my mind that my boobs would grow anymore. I don't think they will but i am going to go talk to a doc about it.
(Message edited by nikki on July 03, 2005)
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E dub, I'm really enjoying your posts lately.
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Ummmm E Double yup I was when my wife got hers done the sex went thru the roof then out into outer space but I guess I wasnt there to witness that part lol Just saying they seem to make women feel very good about themselves which in turn may not be the best thing. Dont gfet me wrong I love them but I wonder it the have statistics on the divorce rate of women who have fakies?
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lol. so women who get implants get more confidence and leave losers like you? i don't see the problem...
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Nikki,
That could just be a lie that I was told when I was 18 with small boobs! Wait.. now I'm 26 and I still have small boobs! Damn it!
Daniel,
Did you just say it's a bad thing for a woman to feel good about herself?
-Amy
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Amy ~ everybody is different.Just b\c you belong on a itty bitty titty committee doesn't mean she still won't grow hers out some more.
Nikki ~ Whether or not they are gonna grow another 2 cups or not....your body is still changing even tho it is maybe not noticable.
Small boobies are still very attractive as long as they don't look like dried up prunes.
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Big Ed,
HEY! I'm not that small! I'm definitely not "itty bitty"!
-Amy
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Sorry...I was just going by what you said but if you e-mail me a pic of you and your breasts I can give you a more professional opinion.
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Big Ed,
Hahahaha, yeah I'll totally get right on that! I'm not that small and I really don't need implants.. until I hang out with all my friends with huge boobs!
-Amy
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Did you need my profesional opinion?
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Big Ed,
I'm all set for now, I'll let you know if that changes.
-Amy
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Dried up prunes! Thats great!
Wait.. Aren't prunes already dried up?
(Message edited by nikki on July 04, 2005)
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Sweet,Let me know.
If prunes are dried up,what are they called in a fresh form?
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Plums?
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Thats what i thought! I was like aren't prunes just dried up plums? lol
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Plums and prunes are they the same thing?
If I made a mistake...my bad,I meant dried up plums or prunes.
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I'm wouldn't say I'm a plum.. maybe more an orange.
-Amy
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I would hope that there aren't plums out there. That would be so sad! I'm definitely no plum! Wow we've taken this thread a long way from a dallas friday interview!
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If you check,just the title,nothing else is about the interview.
Oranges!!!
What are you complaining about,as long as there not dried up oranges you should be cool.Tho oranges come in alot of different sizes dry or not!
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Big Ed,
Definitely not dried up! Good medium sized oranges, I'd say.
-Amy
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This s*%t's bananas.
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My .02 on the cosmetic issue....Yeah I know several days later....
Anyhow I disagree with my Lil Sis- Frankie about Breast Augmentation and I do believe she is leaving something out about it's implications with Cancer.
The only problems I have seen involved implants with Silicone. I have yet to come across problems that have involved Saline implants.....but only having done this profession for 12yrs, there still is lot out there to be seen. I haven't been keeping up on the latest articles, but I have yet to read an article the has profound findings that state Silicone has cause all the autoimmune issues that some of these women are having. If you have one, please forward me a copy.
Second- I myself have Saline implants for the past 4 yrs. Why did I do it?? Because I was tired of not being able to find nice clothing to wear and I have broad shoulders.
Did I have an understanding/implication what "could" happen- Of Course. But it brought me to a B/C-Cup.
Would I do it again- probably not, since it's been nothing but a pain in my arse from the muscle tightness it causes to my neck and back when I work out,paddle when surfing, play softball or wakeboard.
Do I regret it - Not at all.
Having read the article and seen the pics I think she should have waited, the implants at her age are not doing her any justice....
I'm also 2x's + older than Dallas as well.
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Phantom, this doesn't have anything to do with what you just said but in your profile it said someone poisoned "maddi" was this the dog that was in your profile?
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Amy ~ I think you're in need of a professional opinion.
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Nicole- Yes it is. Those pics were taken when she was @ 2-3mos old. It happened last year, she would have been 10 this year.
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Nicole.
Not to make you sound ignorant, but a surgery to implant a pacemaker in one’s body is a “life-saving” & necessary surgery. If the surgery works, the patient lives; If the patient doesn’t have the surgery, he/she will die; If the patient dies to any complication of surgery – and death was the course if no surgery was performed – then the complication outcome is equal to the ultimate no-course-of-action outcome. In other words, the pros grossly out way the cons or “if we don’t’ do this, you will die.” A pacemaker close to the heart (actually it is located on the heart in place of the SA node) is exactly where it is supposed to be to keep the body alive as its function is to generate the electrical impulses that “pump” the heart. If your heart doesn’t pump – be it on its own or via an alternate source – you’re not gonna get very far in life, in layman’s terms.
I am not going to make a contrast connection between this and elective breast aug. surg, in order to save you from being insulted completely.
In regards to mammograms vs. MRIs, medical research, and me having out-of-date data (not to mention the elusion of me not knowing what I’m taking about) …
I do medical research for two gynecologic oncologists (female cancer doctors). I speak with actual patients who have been diagnosed with cancer to collect data in order to test our hypotheses; with the results, it is our job to educate the public and doctors on the “newest” findings. Yes, mammograms do detect cancer successfully and sufficiently in women who do not have implants; the do detect cancer in women who have implants, but not as successfully or sufficiently as MRIs. In fact, the incidence of “missed cancer” in women with breast implants via mammogram tech has increased to such a significant level, that it is now advised that MRI tech be used to screen women with implants. This research that you have conducted was published by people in my profession. My data is NOT out-of-date… in fact, I have data that hasn’t even been published.
In college you will, more than likely, take a stats class where in which you will learn that although 75% = 3:4 (or 9:12), if you only survey 4 people, you will not have the #s to accurately & randomly satisfy the basic principles of statistical analyses. Furthermore, many women don’t know that they have any complications, as it cannot be diagnosed by looking at yourself or, sometimes, even by palpitations. The statistics were taken from a study comprised of women who had implants (and yes, they enrolled more than 4 women – and 4 controls). If you’d like similar literature visit http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?DB=pubmed and do a search for breast cancer, ovarian cancer, and/or breast aug. surg; it’s an excellent site – one that doctors and researches visit daily, as do i.
My sincerest congratulations on working hard for your goals; that is the only way you can own the outcome; there are few greater journeys that give us the wisdom and strength than those – the greatest of which is the journey we spend our lives living, trying to find happiness in ourselves and our own acceptance.
Et al.
Braces = corrective
Lasik = corrective
Deformities (congenital or aquired) that are corrected by surgery = corrective
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stupid question but why can't breast implants be concidered corrective???
I mean you are correcting a part of your body!
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ed, maybe she should put it in a way you'll understand, like;
a boob job is a (cosmetic) surgery to help someone look good,
lasik is (corrective) fixing someone's eyes so they can see boob jobs clearly.
(Message edited by dakid on July 04, 2005)
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quote:Second- I myself have Saline implants for the past 4 yrs. Why did I do it?? Because I was tired of not being able to find nice clothing to wear and I have broad shoulders.
those are the only reasons?
(Message edited by dakid on July 04, 2005)
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Big Ed,
I'll have Blake check it out and give me that professional opinion.
-Amy
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Joe, I work with two women who have had breast augmentation post mastectomy, chemo and radiation...what type of surgery is that considererd.....corrective or elective?
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hmmm...it could be seen as both, i guess.
on one hand, it's not a life saving procedure, so it could be seen as a cosmetic or elective procedure.
on the other hand, it could be seen as corrective since you're replacing something that had to be removed to save that person's life.
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Nikki, you defintely need to wait. When I met my wife 6 years ago, she had rather small breasts (a B cup). 6 years later, 15 lbs heavier and a 7 month old son and she has some very nice D cup boobies now. Have a little patience, as you mature into a fully bloomed woman your body will go through some additional changes.
Frankie, I am not sure why people continue to argue with you, I think they call that denial.
Jb
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Nikki...I second what Josh has said...my girlfriend of 2 yrs (who is 28) said that in high school and college, she weighed about 120lbs and had mid-A cups. I met her when she was 26 yrs old and she was down to 114lbs and had/still has mid-C cups. She said that was just the last thing to develop and they obviously came pretty late. So, just a thought that you might want to wait a while...but obviously waiting till you 25-26 might be too long to wait. What ever you do, do your homework and note the pros/cons. And lastly, if you do decide to do it, do it for yourself and yourself only.
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Risk management is what the military calls it. Someone above posted this idea. People choose everyday what risks they are willing to take. Sounds like Joe may risk his lungs by smoking? He surely risks permanent damage to his body, knees especially, by wakeboarding. If Frankie rides she also risks her body. Ive read about people being seriously injured or even killed around boats. Person broke a femur and bled to death. Person got run over by a prop (husband driving) and she died. A friend just recently got run over by a boat, prop cut open his calf and it took doctors 3 layers of stitches to sew him up and he wound-up back in the hospital about a week later with infection complications. He also got stitches on his farhead(doc thought that was the prop too), lucky for him the prop didnt cut any deeper. I used to roadrace motorcycles and saw people all the time ride away in the ambulance. I now look back and wonder if i would have done it if i know what i know now. Id never give up what i got out of doing it though as you cant put a value on something like that. It was a very big risk, way more then boobs or most any other elective surgery. Just think people are out every day doing something very dangerous, racing...drag cars, dirt track/asphalt cars, dirt bikes, street bikes, alcohol drag boats, airplanes, etc. Hell just choosing where you live is a risk nowadays. I live in Fl with hurricanes, people in Ca live with quakes and recently wild fires/mudslides-why would you live on a mountainside anyway? Midwest tornadoes, up north-snow and ice, the list is endless and that isnt even taking into account the things like crime that may be more prevalent in some areas. Well you get robbed, should i ask why do you live in X place with all that crime? If a woman wants boobs why is it different then a guy risking his life on the weekend doing what he wants to do?
Thane im still with you... ill need to see the pics to make an accurate decision on the whole should have done or not have done decision
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Hmmm
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Joe ~ Lasik is not a life saving procedure.And I know what you are trying to say,the point can be argued tho.
Amy ~ I'm sure he is looking forward to it,now are you guy EVER gonna meet?
(Message edited by big_ed_x2 on July 05, 2005)
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Yes Joe that's the reason why I did it. I did it for proportionality.
It that SOOOOOOOOOO difficult for you to accept?
Probably so since you KNOW everything about women
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i didn't mean to suggest that i know everything about women, but i'll take the high road on this one and shut up.
big ed, sure, it can be argued that lasik is life saving. what if you're driving and all of a sudden you can't see?
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Then I guess you don't drive and there you go...not life saving!
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Like I said before, there is no way that's Dallas.
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Steve,
Are you talking about the girl on the trampoline? She's a student at Beatty Bonifay's Ski School. That shot was taken at the Double or Nothing contest.
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Yes, these guys posted that pic and said it was Dallas.
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