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I read another thread where one individual questioned another boat owner about drinking while boating. So it made me want to ask the question, Who drinks alcohol and wakeboards, drives the boat, etc?
I do and almost of all my crew that I ride with does, but it is at a responsible level. Everyone that I have ridden with whether it be on my boat or there's always has some type of alcohol.
Now I don't condone getting full on intoxicated but I do agree with having a few beers here. IMO, its just a part or riding, listening to tunes, and having a good time. Thoughts?
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"responsible" is the key word. everytime i ride with my friend henry, almost everyone in the boat gets a good buzz or even drunk. but, there are always a couple/few people that stay sober to take the helm.
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This is a loaded topic...............
Be very careful when mixing alcohol and anything that puts peoples lives in jeopardy. Accidents are never intentional, and no-one thought they'd drank too much before plowing into someone else-
Maybe after the ridings done, a drink or two on the beach relaxing is cool
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I drink also, but usually just a few beers. I care way too much for my baby to get all hammered. Now if I am on someone elses boat that is a completely different story.
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We usually end the day with a beer or two while making the drive back to the dock at Discovery Bay. Otherwise, most of us avoid beer during the day because we need all all the help we can get wakeboarding! We also ALWAYS have a completely sober driver at the helm.
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IMO, drinking is for when you have just finished your last set, and you're chilling on the boat or watching your friends who aren't quite done riding yet. Those are the best beers in the world, just idling back to the dock in no rush whatsoever, talking about the day and who did what..
Even then we're responsible. Nobodys getting wasted or anything like that when on the boat.
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Like I said in the other thread, I am personally against drinking and boating too. But, like Joe stated as he was setting me straight, there is a limit. A beer or two is different then getting sloshed out there.
When we're out on the water, it's all about the riding. Afterwards, of course, is the time to get hammered while trash talking about how good we were out there today.
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BEER?Only when I'm not driving.I have a couple of times and 2 beers get me drunk and I get really tired also,so the drive home SUCKS!!
Anyways I'm a 1 woman type a guy and I'm in love with MARYJANE!!!!
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Thats great. You get completely stoned while on the water. That is much safer than getting hammered.
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Drink my a$$ off.
(Message edited by rson on December 27, 2004)
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We have a minimum of 12 pack per rider provided by the whore$...thank god the LSV has a huge cooler.
(Message edited by rson on December 27, 2004)
(Message edited by rson on December 27, 2004)
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lol Rich that was funny!!! Anyway when we go out we have a few wine coolers, nothing crazy. It's relaxing and helps me ge the courage to try new tricks lol kidding.
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I am much better at drinking beer than wakeboarding.
E.J.
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"I am much better at drinking beer than wakeboarding."
You and me both.
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THis is why god created wakesurfing.....stanfield, you will have to join us this summer. (of course you will have to buy a malibu too  )
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Call me old fashioned but if I catch alcohol in my boat, whoever brought it will be asked to leave and will not be invited back. There are laws that prohibit that for a reason.
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the laws here allow for alcohol in the boat, as long as it's not in the driver's possession or in the driver's seating area.
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Sign me up for Jon's boat, I'll bring the board games and Bible trivia game!!!
"asked to leave"????? isn't that a little harsh?
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"THis is why god created wakesurfing.....stanfield, you will have to join us this summer."
We'll have to do that. We always say we're gonna surf, but end up on the wakeboards and tire out before we ever break out the surf board. I really should take it up with the bum knee and all.
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we'll usually have a bloody mary after the 2nd set. when were done and just hanging a couple of beers. nobody gets hammered. the driver wont even drink as much either. we keep it responsible. Joe, what lakes do you go to that allow alcohol? castaic rangers will search your boat and if you have alcohol they'll either ask you to leave or take it.
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quote:Sign me up for Jon's boat, I'll bring the board games and Bible trivia game!!!
Now thats some funny sh**!
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beer is allowed on my boat. but, none of the drinkers are allowed to drive. i never ride a wakeboard under the influence but after the last set we may have a couple. unless we have a lot of younger peeps, then we usually dont bring any along. where we ride its not illegal as long as the person driving is drinking. peace
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where we ride its not illegal as long as the person driving is NOT! drinking. HA HA
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paul, lakes in norcal.
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For those of you that have even one alcoholic drink and then drive (or while driving) your boat, I wonder how you would feel when that other boat driver had only one drink before plowing into your boat and loved ones, causing grave injury.
Hmmmm, methinks you would immediatly sue and claim the driver had no business being "intoxicated". Or, would you stand up in court and say "Hey, the accident-causing driver could not in any way been hampered by alcohol, seeing as he/she said they only had one drink."
Yeah, right. Keep drinking and driving and you will find no mercy if you endanger and worse, injure another person.
No bible-thumping here, just reality knocking on your thick skulls 
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typical californian (or ex-californian)...the first thing they think of is a lawsuit. 
1 drink? even that won't take me remotely close to being legally intoxicated. and i'm a skinny mofo!
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Last I checked social drinking is not a crime both on the water and off.
I can't believe that this quote has not come up yet....what are they teaching you in schools now a days?
"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." - Ben Franklin
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alcohol in moderation is ok on the boat as long as the person driving is not the one having any. and on my boat, most everyone who rides, is going to drive at one point or another.I care too much for my boat to even bother having a drink while on it. I wait until I get home, and start cleaning the boat up. drinking and operating any type of vehicle just dont mix. I love to drink, dont get me wrong, but you should not mix the two at any time.
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The one time I drank more than a couple of beers while out riding I tweaked my knee and wasn't right for like 3 weeks, that effectivley ended my drinking while riding days. Now its one or the other.
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"where we ride its not illegal as long as the person driving is drinking."
Sounds like a fun place.
What's the accident rate like when you have to be drinking in order to drive?
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What lakes in Norcal prohibit alcohol? We haven't ever been hassled by "The Man" so I guess we've been lucky.
"I wonder how you would feel when that other boat driver had only one drink before plowing into your boat and loved ones, causing grave injury."
Someone doesn't understand the definition of "intoxicated," has been to one too many MADD meetings, or both.
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i don't think anyone said anything about norcal lakes prohibiting drinking in boats.
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Troy, Thane, Sean, Bryan, Chris...sorry if you're in this crowd and were offended/scared/pissed that I've had a bullet at the helm before. I should remember to let people know that I'll often bust one or two while I'm out.
Maybe I'm just ignorant, like when I used to think power turns were what you're supposed to do.
Perris and Elsinore are usually PACKED during the summer, and during those times I usually won't drink anything. The again, at Havasu, I might have five or six beers on any given day. Even at 175 lbs, a sixer spread over eight or nine or ten hours is normally not going to impair jack. No headache, maybe a little head change now and then.
Sure, if the unthinkable happened, it'd be a major item to think about for the rest of my life, but so would the many other critical links that had to be in place for the accident to happen. Even in the absence of liquor, there would still be many things to wake you up at night.
On a boat, in an uncrowded lake, if your driving habits are such that the speed of your reflexes make the difference between life and death...you've got bigger problems than drinking.
Likewise, if the alcohol has jacked your judgement to where you're allowing people to surf the v-drive cover or ride on the tower or whatever else you might see on any given wakeboard video...you've probably got bigger problems than drinking.
Yep, if it's a great day on the lake, and you cruise by the Yota and see sunburn and smiles on our faces, you can bet there either has been or will be some fallen soldiers in there.
I ain't down with MJ on the boat, cuz that's (like it or not) an illegal substance that I just don't want on my watch. Even then, it'd be like, "don't bring that stuff again". I couldn't imagine throwing someone off my boat cuz they brought beer.
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"What lakes in Norcal prohibit alcohol?"
Folsom has banned alcohol.
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shawn, from what i understand, alcohol is only banned on folsom beaches, and still legal in boats. i could be wrong though.
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Your right Joe, Boat is ok for passenges.No Alcohol on the land. Since this has been enforced the fights on the beaches have been cut in half
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Well a ranger stopped us as we were putting the boat in the water and asked us if we had any alcohol on the boat, we said no, and then he informed us that it was not allowed on the lake. Not sure if the he just said this for his own personal reasons or that in fact alcohol is banned on the lake itself?
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| By Kim (p1emt) on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 1:27 am:
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Per the CHP if you get a DUI on a boat it dose not go on your driving record ! You will still get the 1,500 $$$ fine 6hrs in the drunk tank and the comm.service but it dose not go on your record !
Also I know shaver lake you can not have any ALCOHOL !!!
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| By walt (walt) on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 4:48 am:
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Kim, I believe The DUI law for boating changes from county to county. And the counties that you only get a fine will count it as a prior if you do get a real DUI.
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| By Dtb (dtb) on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 5:22 am:
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i can remember several years back when there where no drinking laws enforced on the water in my state, whether you were driving or not. now the driver can drink, but the legal limit is 0.1 (which is higher than the legal limit for driving a car 0.08). i can speak from experience and say that you can have several drinks and still be under 0.1, but i'm not saying it's the smart thing to do....
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I think that Loveswater has a good point. Imagine if a driver of another boat ran over and killed your 12 year old son. Even it that driver had only one beer, I guarentee that almost any parent would have their attorney prove that the one beer made the driver a full DWI? and would want to seek the stiffest sentence possible. This isn't a typical Californian lookin for a lawsuit, this is somebody who sees things realisticly. My wife is in the liability insurance industry and she comes home and tells me all the horror stories about ••••••••••••••••• that people file and win. I choose not to drink, because our boat is full of 12-15 year olds and I don't think it is worth putting their lives in jeapordy, especially when they aren't my own kids. Just be carefull
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No alcohol allowed on my boat. Being a former Investigator and responding to many incidents on the water, no amount mixes. The saddest case I responded to was a go-fast boat that flipped due to a turn on a wave. The driver could not recover fast enough - even though he was an experienced race driver trained for such a thing. His speed, according to the GPS replay was less than 40 mph - well within the performace of the boat in those conditions. The result: One dead, one will never walk again, one will have the mental ability of an 8-year old. The driver blew .03 30-minutes after the accident. The fines, penalties, and the civil lawsuit was the least of is problems. He had one beer about 30 minutes before shoving off. No food, just a bit of dehydration, one beer, one buddy, two hot chicks (one dead). Your decision. Make it one you can live with.
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I would also venture to guess that with a .03 BAC, the driver had more than 1 beer. Adult size body would metabolize the alcohol of one beer before he ever tested(assuming that it took at least 60 minutes before last drink).
I am not here to promote the use of alcohol while on the water....or off for that matter. That is a personal decision. If someone does not want alcohol on their boat, great. It is their boat and they make the rules.
If the driver of any boat, regardless of alcohol intake hit into my boat, let alone hurt a friend or family member.... I just don't see any situation that hitting another boat is an "accident". There is a 150' rule above wakeless speed here, hitting into another boat above wakeless speed, while following the laws, is going to take more than 1 beer.
I have a much bigger fear of inexperienced boat owners. Just my $.02
E.J.}
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good point EJ, they are just as dangerous. sometimes I don't think they are as much inexperienced as they are just plain stupid and inconsiderate. Either way, alcohol just makes the situation magnified.
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Even if someone hit your boat and killed someone after one beer, you would not be able to get them for drunk driving. One beer will not put you over the legal limit, or impair you enough to have caused the accident. It would have to be bad driving, or not paying attention. Don't get me wrong, you could still file a lawsuit, but not for DD. If I lived in Cali, and delt with the amount of traffic on the water that most of you do, I would not risk it either. Same goes if I had minors on the boat. If it is just me and my friends, then I will most likely have a couple of beers while hanging out.
(Message edited by psudy on December 28, 2004)
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jbjboc has it right. This is a loaded thread but here's my 2 cents...
Alcohol is allowed, encouraged, and sometimes a requirement on my boat. However, it is not consumed by the driver when driving or around driving time. No reason to penalize the whole group when you have a designated driver! No alcohol allowed seems awfully harsh to me. I have a young family, am an extremely defensive driver and avoid dangerous areas. That doesn't mean I can't have a beer on the sand bar while throwing horse shoes.
I've seen people die on the water before (last summer on the Colorado)and know drinking and/or stupidity + boating don't mix. The problem here is common sense (moderation) isn't so common.
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For those that think one or two beers won't impair, you need to know the following (taken from the Texas Boating Safety Course):
"Research has proven that one-third of the amount of alcohol that it takes to make a person legally intoxicated on land can make a boater equally intoxicated on the water."
"The effect of alcohol is increased by the natural stressors placed on your body while boating. Also, alcohol causes dehydration of your body. It takes less alcohol, combined with stressors, to impair an operator's ability to operate safely."
"Alcohol depresses the central nervous system and affects judgment and slows physical reaction time. Most people become slightly intoxicated after only one drink. Alcohol makes it difficult for you to pay attention, especially to multiple tasks. For example, it will be more difficult for you to keep track of two or more vessels operating in your area. This could become critical if you are placed in an emergency situation and must make a sudden decision."
"Alcohol can reduce the ability to distinguish and interpret colors, especially red and green."
"Alcohol contributes to about one-third of all boating accidents nationwide."
Drinking, even if you define it as "responsible" = too much opportunity to fail. Drink after, not during.
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dakid
shawn is right. alcohol is totally banned on and off the water at Folsom. That's why I don't go there anymore, besides most people on that lake are stupid enough with out alcohol.
It's obvious serious wakeboarders know how to drive with a 12 pack in them better than tubers and jetskiers drive sober
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I will bet that you can find twice as many studies that dispute that load of crap, as you can that back it up.
(Message edited by psudy on December 28, 2004)
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I guess I should respond to this since my video may have sparked the thread.
Like some other people have said, I do not condone getting completely trashed and driving. However, I am not opposed to having a drink or two throughout the day while on the water either (especially during the winter time when the waterways are empty).
The majority of the time, I only drink water or gatorade while I am out on the boat, but I do love to have a beer (or Union Point Mai Tai) once in a while as well.
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What video?
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