|Anybody notice that every picture of Dallas (when she isn't riding) she got cold one in coozy? Nothing better than hot drunk wake board chicks! |
|I can probably count the pictures of her that I've seen on one hand. Isn't she like...16 or something?|
|Anybody read the interview of her in the most recent issue of Alliance Wakeboard magazine? Pretty interesting stuff.|
|which is why i don't go to see the pro tour...buncha kids drinkin', smokin' pot, blah blah blah. |
|Yeah I just looked it up on the X-games website and shes only 18... still not legal.. o well she still rips! |
|We need pics!!! I agree with Swass, isnt she very young? Maybe she's got diet coke in that cozy|
|Yeah, and how many of us didn't drink until we were 21. |
|i suppose what you wrote was cool? |
i'm not hatin' the playa(dallas friday, in this case), i'm hatin' the game (pro tour).
|teenagers drink everyone knows it and its no big deal (unless they drive) |
I say reduce the drinking age to 16 or 18
dumb drinkers are dumb drinkers no matter what age they are
|3 words.... Girls gone wild!|
|andrew, true...but younger kids are looking up to the pro riders, so don't you think they should set a good example? or be a more positive role model? |
i'm not saying stop drinking all together. what you do is your business...but when you do something like drink when you're underage in public, you better expect to get ripped on. do the shizz behind closed doors.
|I'm 100% in agreement with Joe. |
Do we know for sure that she is drinking alcohol in those pictures? I find it hard to believe that she would do this in public.
|She is totally legal in Calgary. That is all you need to know.|
|I think the pic in question is the one from the Malibu Open. |
Last time I checked Diet Coke doesn't come in Long Neck bottles But it still can be something other than alcohol.
|Ricky G is actually one of the more straight-edge wakeboarder types, with his remarkable attraction of the ladies aside of course.|
|I'm 19 and drink often because I'm in college and its accepted and i like beer. But, boating and drinkin don't mix. Its not worth it for the DNR to take my boat for a measly couple of beers. But if it wasn't always my boat, me always driving it, and me always driving home, I would defitely wake and drink. Just gotta be resposible. |
And please no one start a battle on the drinking age. Everyone knows that resposible drinking in WAY more important than the age of the person doing it. An 18 year old can be more resposible than a 40 year old, and vice versa. It all depends on the situation.
Maybe when i'm 21, my opinion will change.
|She seems a wee bit cocky, IMO.|
|The guy who owns those pics didn't mean to include that one in the batch he sent me, so it's been removed.|
|nothing wrong with someone 17 drinking, find an average person that's our age that doesn't drink and that'll be noteworthy... |
they should've never upped the drinking age, I mean, we can get drafted but can't legally drink a beer? that's bull
|Coming from a college student I agree with the role model status and her not doing it in public, but hey we know it happens. I enjoy a brew every now and then... do I get drunk and go ride? hell no, thats not even fun, do I drink and drive? hell no, not worth my life, license but first and foremost anybody elses life, but a brew out on the lake enjoying the sun and relaxing never hurt anyone in my eyes anyway... "I mean, we can get drafted but can't legally drink a beer? that's bull" not to be an @$$ but when was the last time you had a beer and you worried about it being legal or you acquired beer and thought damn I should be able to do this... its no big deal getting alcohol so I don't think the age should be lowered. There would be problems associated with it. So I guess what Im saying is... who cares about the drinking age, if you want to drink you can, am I wrong? As far as Dallas drinking... that pic was notably a mistake being posted, she shouldn't do it in public, but I didnt see the pic, was it 'in public' or was it behind the scenes and more of a papparazzi (sp) pic. |
Im sure this sounds like a bunch of rambling... but one more thing I'd liek to say, with regards to putting pros at a higher standard than anybody else, they are people too, they do drink, and I remember a post a few weeks ago about park's figure not being model... we are all people, and we do what people will...
|I don't agree that we should just accept that drinking is ok and kids are fine to do so. Yes, although at 18 you can be drafted, but when you're older, you'll realize that 18=kid! I know, blah blah blah...the exceptions to the rule are always out there, but it is a general comment, like it or not, that's life, older readers will understand that comment, younger ones may not. I won't tell you what to do, it's your business, but just remember there are laws out there, and drinking under the age of 21 is breaking one...you can get in trouble for it. Just get out there and wakeboard! :P |
|both valid points, lets have a toast to that|
|“Professional Wakeboarder”…oxymoronic? Given past history it certainly begs the question. |
IMHO being a “professional athlete” at the least implies that you are paid to compete at the top level of your chosen sport (role modeling aside). In the case of wakeboarding you are paid by sponsors to compete as well as maintain an image that in indicative of the brands you represent in an effort to increase sales and credibility within the market. That being said I would imagine that sponsors are less than impressed by the photographs in question.
|When I saw Dallas at OWC this winter...she was sitting on a bench smoking. While I don't begrudge anyone who smokes, I think it is a bit of a poor choice for someone so high up in the ranks of their professional sport. I think that athletes, particularly someone young like Dallas ought to be a little more conscious of her image. I also thought it a bit over the top to see Parks and one other smoking big stoggies in a WBM ad. I just don't think it's a good image to project about this sport. |
|eric, I agree, that ad was much worse than any of the reef ads. |
I really did have to question wtf were they trying to promote with that ad. But then again, we all know that WBM is the leading soruce of information for our children.
|Eric - |
WHAT was she smoking?
|while i dont agree with under age drinking,smoking ,illegal drugs or bad role models set by anybody including profesional athletes ,it is their choice and they have their own decisions to make and life to live.. |
we can talk about it all we like but look a bit higher to the REAL professional athletes in MLB,NFL,and mostly the image set forth by the NBA..can you say murder,drugs,domestic violence ,rape,thug rap depitcing pot smoking ,drug use and the hating of women and other human beings..these people are paid multi-million doallr long term contracts to play at the highest level of sports and are on TV and have sponsors much much bigger then Wakeboarding has to offer and they get in trouble seems like monthly..hell look at OJ he still doing talk shows and being talked about after all this time.aside from sports you have movie/music stars doig the same thing..not all of them but a small fraction but it doesnt deter their popularity and in some cases enhances it..
face it guys it part of life and it happens and we shouldnt judge others ,live and let live and let it get sorted out in the end..
>>disclaimer<<BTW i watch and love all major sports and listen to rap and havent led a perfect life so i wasnt bagging on all people and athletes or rap music just citing facts ...
|Hey gang, I don't mean to be getting on this girl's case, there are millions of 18 year olds out there that are wrecking the world. But somebody's got to pull her aside and tell her to keep her nasty little habits behind closed doors.|
|Man, I didnt realize there was so many goody two shoes in the wakeboarding scene. If it's your son or daughter, then you have every right to be concerned. And if your worried about your son or daughter being influenced by someone they look up, well then you need to talk to them about drugs and alcohol. |
Between this thread and the "Reef Girl" thread, some of you people are seriously up tight.
|"nasty little habits" I dont find drinking nasty, on the otherhand... smoking, wtf, why do hot girls such as dallas smoke, now thats something I disagree with, smoking is just f-ing gross. You could be the hottest girl in the world and when you smoke you just degrade yourself and aren't as hot... in my eyes anyway, maybe Im a hipocrit because drinking isn't good for you either but I dunno, I can't deal with smoking, whether it be weed, cigarettes (most unnattractive of all) cigars etc... gross |
I agree with bill on his points, Im not perfect and don't plan on it any time soon haha but I guess like he said, live and let live, people will do as they choose...
smoking though... gross
|I agree with you there Duane. Plus smoking kills you on an athletic level. |
As people know, I never ever drink. But the pic was showing her holding a beer, doesn't mean she's drunk. One beer is no harm, its after the 5-6th beer when you have to be concerned.
|Typical WW puritans.|
|Oh sorry, I guess it was American beer, changed that to "20-25th beer". |
|I dont get how people in my age group (im 19) will start smoking, i meen we've been brain washed by all the anti smoking comercials most of our lives, I've seen and read that alot of other pros smoke, I just dont get what they are thinking. Smoking is just so gross, and I'd like to think its common knowledge that its bad for you. I just dislike smoking all together, its probally cause Im from CA. I meen if a kid will buy a board just because parks rides it, they might think hey parks smokes, and he is the best maybe I should pick up smoking. Oh well L8r|
|this reminds me of a boob on TV not too long ago....... if you guys have been to other parts of the world alcohol is not such a big deal- it's all about how you use it and being responsible for it- |
|haha 20-25th beer |
Yea I guess Im out of the loop or something because I dont get why people our age start smoking not even considering how much we've been brainwashed, I still wouldnt do it cuz its gross
btw kristian thats a phat pic bro I gotta get my friends to snap more of me like that except I dont have the killer mtn backdrop
|Thanks Duane, that was taken in San Diego by BillJ last year. |
Alex has a point, come to Europe and its not such a big deal, kids usually have wine at dinner and what not and they usually grow to have some sort of respect for alcohol. Making it so forbidden makes kids go crazy when they finally become legal to drink. But thats not the issue here. I do understand she is a role model like it or not, somethings are often best kept out of the press. Personally I don't understand what all the huff is about.
|Wow I didnt even realize you were from Europe... which country I didnt understand the parenthesis part... but yea Europe is so much more laid back about alcohol yet they aren't... they still have rules for their children pertaining to it. Ive been to italy and the parents I stayed with wanted to abide by the rules and said no drinking etc but they gave me wine, champagne on Easter etc and I went out with my friends and the italians to local clubs and it was so much more laid back, nobody was trashed its just a much better atmosphere... and the people there can handle themselves whereas if you go out here people drink excessively often times and it just gives alcohol a bad rap... btw I like the air over there better too haha, our easter dinner was on a restaurant overlooking a lake, man I wanted to ride...|
|I'm from England, and I'm living in France for the moment. They have rules, but they're pretty lax on them, but not like they'll let a kid get drunk, its usally parents discretion. The aperitif is a way of life. |
Oh and Italy is amazing, beautiful country and wonderful women.
(Message edited by kristian on June 17, 2004)
|Smoking majorly sux. Aside from everything else it reduces the body's ability to use calcium. If you want to be still ripping it up at my age you should never get hooked. A friend of mine in his 40s just snapped his femur in two going off a ramp. He smokes.|
|I met Dallas at the X-games in Philly 3yrs ago and she had a totally different attitude than she "appears" to have now. I say appear because I haven't talked to her since then. Three years in the public eye on the PWT can change people...without a doubt. Wakeboarding, along with every other sport out there, will have its subcultures that choose to behave in a certain way, usually not in conjunction with the law, unfortunately. Football and Basketball are no different, and somehow the athletes feel they are protected and/or above the law. |
Is it a beer in her hand, at 18 yrs old? Doesn't matter because everyone's first thought when they saw that picture was that it "was" a beer...or an IBC root beet, right? That is the downside to being in the public eye, you don't always get to explain yourself, so you have to be extra careful of your actions and how others would receive those actions.
I, for one, have my personal beliefs and convictions and nobody on the PWT is going to influence me in those areas at 25yrs old. I can't say the same thing for everybody else, that is up to them, but I agree with the mentality that the athletes need to hold themselves to a higher standard or wakeboarding, as a sport, will pay the ultimate price in the long run.
There was a thread about new locations for the PWT...if drunken teenagers, trashed hotels, and illegal substances are associated with wakeboarding, what venue would want to promote that in there area? Hence, the pro boarders will limit the growth of the sport themselves.
I love to ride, I drink on occasion, I "did" wait until I was 21 to drink, I attended a party school for college (Virginia Tech) and yet somehow I managed to make it through alright...to each his/her own, but they must be willing to accept the consequences of their actions.
(Stepping off my soapbox now...
(Message edited by hipidyhopr on June 17, 2004)
|Hi everyone, |
There seems to be a a great deal of talk about a picture on Wakeworld. I don't want to get in a debate, but just to let everyone know... I was at an O'Brien cookout party after the Malibu competition with my sponsors. I was NOT drinking a beer which seems to be the topic of conversation! I had a root beer in my hand when they took the picture. I am completly aware that when I am at the competitions I am in the public eye and do strive to be a good role model. I do make mistakes... we are all human but in this instance it WAS a root beer. I am an athlete and train 3 times a day along with boxing in the evenings. If I was doing what everyone seems to be saying it would be impossible to ride at the level I am. Lately my biggest vice is just chocolate (thanks to Melissa's chocolate basket)! Sorry, to disappoint everyone. Now I have to head out for my set. See ya!
|how many of you feel like a straight JACKASS now? |
|Thanks for setting the record straight Dallas! Mad props for actually coming on here and posting. |
In response to a comment I saw above....can any of you honestly tell me that if you were a pro on the tour and had people or sponsors offering you free food, drinks, etc and being put up on a rather large pedestal that you wouldn't change ONE BIT? I really don't think it's possible.
It takes a very humble & grounded person to remain the same when they're constantly being told how good they are, having trips & things paid for by sponsors, being given boats, etc. There are no doubt some great people on the tour who are grounded and very approachable and for that I commend them.
If you haven't been in their shoes or situation it's very difficult (if not impossible) to comment on what you'd do!
|None, I ALWAYS drink root beer with a coozie! |
(And I wonder Just what is in Melissa's "Chocolate Basket")
A 34 year old friend of mine just broke a bone in his shoulder catching his 2 year old son, who was rolling off the couch over daddy's head(it was a game they were playing). He doesn't smoke....
|Oops, I guess it's clear to put the pictures back up there Dave. It was just good ole A&W. |
Although this has been debated time and again Zack, no I don't expect people to change just because they're successful.
|So she had a few beers after her set. Big deal. Lighten up. Athletes should not be your childs' role model. Parents should be the primary role model. Should a pro athlete change their behavior because you have a different moral belief or idea of what is right and wrong. I agree drinking underage in public isn't the smartest idea, but I really don't think it is that big of a deal. |
Appreciate your willingness to "explain" yourself. Cheers to IBC on the PWT!
|Back in from my set at O'Town and everyone has been watching the conversation. The chocolate basket was a gift for winning the comp from O'Town, nothing else. I am not always an angel all of the times as my mother can tell you.(17 year old stuff) but I am not really as exciting as everyone is making me out to be. Just wakeboarding...doing what I love! |
|E.J. Thanx for the heads up on that. OK everyone you can smoke. Ignore my last post.|
|I didn't know Coozie's were reserved for alcoholic beverages. I guess I will throw mine away since I use it only for my pepsi!|
|Dam, its actually a chocolate basket. I had some good innuendoes line up |
Glad you came on here and cleared things up. all this over root beer.
|Thane are you going to switch to only posting ebaum pics, you seem to find one for every situation. |
|I do want to add one more thing- This just proves how the pros stay in touch with their sport and DO care what is said and what people think- I have been fortunate enough to meet a lot of pro riders and for the most part all of them have been super nice and really down to earth- this is just another example of that- do you think that someone that is at the top of another pro sport would post on a board when people started trashing them? hell no- Thanks Dallas and I don't think that you should have to explain yourself. |
|I 2nd that Alex!|
|3rd it. Well said Alex. Though I don't think anyone was trashing her, just the situation. |
(Message edited by kristian on June 17, 2004)
|I dont know what you all were looking at...I just noticed that Dallas was hugging another chick! |
|Well, let me jump in too: I was fully expecting a 15ish year old; in which case I was going to move on, but, since you're an adult, I don't have a problem telling you as much. |
There was no character assassination here. People were commenting on what they thought was a beer in the hand of an underage, popular figure who's in a position to influence the lives of young kids. She's entitled to do as she chooses in private, but I think the general consensus is, we'd like to see her project herself in a positive light when she's representing her sport in public.
I'm glad she explained herself. Good luck to you, Dallas. Give up those cigs, though! When you get to be my age, you'll wish you had.
I would also like to give you props for keeping your head up and having such a positive attitude ( not to mention a HUGE bag of tricks ). Since you have came on the Wakeboarding sceene IMO you have been a great role model for the growing # of girls entering this support.
I have met Dallas a couple times in the past at the Malibu Open / Just Ride stop in Sacremento. She was sweet, cool, humble and very down to earth. She took the time out of her busy schedule to give our girls cordinator Kimmy a sitdown,interview,photos that we posted on GW / local wake site. a couple years back. It was cool of her and very much appreciated. Thanks for giving us the heads up and straightening out the story...
"Can't let anyone hold you down, oh no, you got to keep on moving" ;)
-= peace =-
Careful how you throw "everyone" around. I believe I gave Dallas the benefit of the doubt that it was "root beer" did I not?
But, beer or no beer, the issue most have with the pic is that it portrayed her in a less than positive light. Unfair as it may be, that is how people are and life ain't fair.
I, personally, have no ill-will toward Dallas. As the female riders go, I find her style to be the most exciting and gets me stoked to ride.
All that aside, I think the name calling does not help either party persuade the other of their viewpoint. IMO
Let us not forget the true purpose for being on Wakeworld!
|We are lucky in Aus legal age is 18 but tis excepted at 14-15. |
Im actually heading to seattle for the newyears (youth exchange) dont know how everyone will cope!
|In fairness, I think we should concede that the title of the thread suggests a bias on our part. Even if she was drinking a beer, that does not mean that she's a "drunken teenager." |
It's hard enough being a teenager; I'm sure it's more difficult when you're under a microscope. If nothing else, I suppose this is a good reminder that people watch what you do and say, and, right or wrong, they make a value judgment based on what they see and hear. I'm sure that's something we should all keep in mind.
|BTW, my "let me jump in too" post doesn't make sense because it lost it's context when it was edited by a moderator.|
|I think it is great that Dallas came here to clear things up a bit. It shows that she has concern for her public image and how it is portrayed. I do believe that pros are humans with all the same vices as me or others. However, with a public persona comes the responsibility of holding to a higher standard. I think that sponsers demand that because of the dollars they pour into a sport. Wakeboarding has a somewhat "couterculture" image like skateboarding so some of the things we see are a bit more permissable. My 4 year old daughter play Wakeboarding unleashed and always chooses to play as Dallas. So, with that in mind I hope she continues to live up to her billing. |
If you happen to check in again Dallas, good luck on the tour this year. I hope my daughter and I will run into you at Indianapolis this year.
|Dallas and all other pros are still human and have the same temptations. This thread started with someone jumping to a conclusion. Sometimes the conclusion is one that has been affected by previous thoughts or opinions. The fact remains that Dallas cleared herself here because it was an unjust conclusion. She obviously cares about the image she gives out as a pro in this sport. Otherwise she would never have bothered. |
She is still alowed to drink root beer isnt she, without someone automatically impliying that she is a drunk teenager?????
Good luck to Dallas!
|I don't know to many wakeboarders who don't drink and that is sad. For someone like me who has grown up as a Christian their entire life and doesn't drink or smoke and never will. It is kind of disappointing seeing some of your favorite riders drinking. It is so sad that alot of people feel like they have to be drinking to have fun. I have more respect and look up to people more if they don't drink or smoke. Last year I got to meet Shawn Watson I thought he was pretty cool at first then there he was riding his mini bike thing w/a beer in his hand. I love wakeboarding but I also don't want to support people like that. |
(Message edited by Mandi on June 18, 2004)
|Mandi, you have a small minded view of the world. Just because someone drinks or smokes, it doesn't make them a bad person. I think judging people is much worse than drinking a beer or smoking a cigarette. |
I'm christian also, but I wouldn't consider myself religeous. The biggest problem I have with religeous people is when they try to project their beliefs and morals onto everyone else. Just live life, have fun, and worry about yourself rather than what other people are doing. You'll be much happier.
..but that's just my humble opinion
|Boy, Mandi, you have just opened a HUGE can of worms! Like Steve said, that is one of the most narrow minded statements i've ever heard! Just because something isn't "healthy" and you partake in the action doesn't make you an awful person. If that was the case, you might as well live in the small world of the four walls of your bedroom. |
|Hey, didn't Jesus Christ and his disciples drink wine? |
Drinking doesn't make the person...it's how that person conducts his/herself if intoxicated.
By the way, if you were a true Christian, you wouldn't judge people...it's a sin to judge.
(Message edited by dakid on June 18, 2004)
|I didn't read all of these posts, but here's my two cents. First, if dallas wants to smoke in public, that's her choice. But on the other hand, it isn't so crazy for her to take some responsiblity for her image, so to speak. I don't know how many of you read transworld skateboarding, but they had this section where a photographer talked about a few of his subjects, with one being matt hensley. He said that matt smoked a lot, but he would never allow any of those photos to be published because he realized that kids looked up to him. Matt Hensley is so cool, and that's totally serious... |
Anyway, I'm not disappointed either way, but I thought it was cool that a guy like Matt cared that much.
And as for that jet pilot ad, it came off to me as more of a gangsta thing. Opinions are funny though. I didn't have a problem with the jet pilot ad, but I do have problems when tower companies use slutty looking girls with bikini's a half an inch up from their 'ginas.
Has anyone ever heard jeanne garafolo's (sp) little bit on the "'gina pants?" It's really funny...
Smoking is a reality in life, and I guess so are tiny, slutty bikini's. So I guess we all just have to look past that and love the magazines anyway, right? Pfft...
(Message edited by electricsnow on June 18, 2004)
Sorry - I'm correcting my own grammar. Carry on.
|Mandi, if youi are professing to being a 'christian', you better review your judgementalism. |
Let God judge, it's not your job.
|Thane, please refrain from visiting, stealing and using pics from ebaumsworld. It's way played. And as a moderator, you should know that you're advertising for ebaumsworld.com, and that breaks forum rules. |
(Message edited by dakid on June 18, 2004)
|I can't visit? stealing? |
Not really, at 18-19 you are eligible for the draft. Can make life decicions, and can also be tried as an adult. So if you are treated like an adult, have the responsibilities of an adult, and can be viewed legally as an adult, how come people don't consider you and adult?
|the pictures ARE alot more interesting than this thread.|
|I absolutely love it when a Christian voices an opinion in direct contrast with what the majority thinks is okay. Instantly, people jump on them for being "judgmental." Which in turn they are being judgmental of that person too. |
Face it folks, christian or non=christian, we all sin, we all judge each other, even though God clearly emphasizes that judgment is His role. Acknowledging one's behavior as less than acceptable or "illegal" (smoking weed or underage drinking) is not necessarily "judgment"...let me introduce some of you to a new word to throw around losely...
But, if by your actions, you are causing your Brother/sister to stumble, stop what you are doing, for it is better to go through life without "insert item" than to bring down your fellow man/woman.
For those interested check out: 1 Corinthians 10:31-33
"So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God-- even as I try to please everybody in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved."
Mandi- I respect you for sticking your neck out there, but just be careful how your present the message. People admonish the self-righteous in everyone else but themselves.
Joe Umali - You must have dug deep into the Cliche archives to find that one about Jesus and wine, eh?
|no, i thought everyone knew that! |
|Some people think that wine does not exactly translate to fermented grapes. It can also mean grape juice, fermentes grape juice, and some vinegars. |
Just so those that feel when it is written in scripture that they drank wine, there is still some debatable room for exactly what that means.
BTW, can some body please tell me what brand of root bear has a silver and red lable on the bottle and neck? That is what appears to be in Dallas's hand.
Also, I have no problem with consumption. I consumed more befpre I was 18 than I have since I turned 21 many moons ago.
|Blah Blah Blah....who cares SH*T UP...already.|
|DALLAS! I LOVE YOU!!|
|Yea I agree shawn... this thread has been kicked around enough, I am guilty of adding some fuel to the fire up top but we just gotta live and let live, I am trying not to ruffle anymore feathers so I'll leave with this note, my summer classes end tomorrow at 10 and I can't wait to F-ING BOARD its gonna be awesome ahaha, I am so pumped. Threads like this give the sport too much negativity, just ride, dallas is a phenomenal rider and it is cool she came on her to clean up the rumors |
Whose riding this weekend??? btw what video editing software should I look into? I want to make some home vids like people on the site...
|man, people have been getting wasted for century's...smoking started out as a tradition, and hell, alcohol has been around since socrates...a little booze isn't bad at all as long as your mature enough to take it|
|Thanks, wakeman, that's exactly what I was talking about... |
Really, the bible doesn't ever really directly say not to drink (tell me the verse if I'm wrong, be glad to hear it) it says more that anything in excess (glutiny) is a sin. There's nothing wrong with drinking, as long as you're not an idiot about it and give yourself liver cancer at 35.
(well... there is that part that says something like... A man not in control of himself is like a city without walls... so, if you got drunk off your ass and were outta control it might be sinful, but then again that's also a form of glutin.)
And, you know, everyone is a sinner so if you judge you are still a true christian, you just have that little judging problem to deal with... it's the fact that we sin that we need Jesus in the first place, otherwise, what's the point of his death on the cross? We all sin and we're all going to sin, that doesn't mean we're all not real christians...
ok, sorry, almost went into a religous rant, and I'm sure that a lot of you guys out there don't really want to hear it, so at the risk of typing too much on this already huge thread, I'm gonna stop...
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(Message edited by cryft on June 20, 2004)
|Dallas- i didnt know you checked this thread, sweet! |
Oh ya im 17 wakeboard, and drink (even though its not your thing)
Wait im on the internet thats kinda creepy
|David, I don't think the Bible ever actually says you are not to drink, but as you said within reason and control. It does say you are not to be drunk, Ephesians 5:18 reads, "And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit". All of Ephesians chapter 5 is about how we are to conduct ourselves. |
I am a recently converted Chrisitan myself and I am very proud of it. As I learn more about what is right and wrong according to the Bible, it is very difficult not to judge others and project my values onto others. There will always be a struggle between good and evil and those unfamiliar or unaccepting of the Bible's teaching will always view us as narrow-minded.
As for the pictures of Dallas, that is her business, and there is nothing wrong with someone being offended by it. However, as mentioned before, it is not our purpose to judge, but to follow Jesus's example.
|I don't care who is drinking beer but... |
That bottle has been positively identified as a Bud Light "root beer."
BTW, I'm glad to see that someone is finally exploring this critically important question: What would Jesus drink?
|I fail to see the need to insult my intelligence by telling me it is "root beer" when clearly in the remaining photos it is not. |
WWJD??? has to be… http://www.manischewitz.com/docs/
Lastly, it never ceases to amaze me what people will think, write or do to justify their actions. If you don’t agree with a law or rule do something to change it...and by the way blatant disregard or flagrant violation are not (by society standards) acceptable means to your end. That being said I do agree that age does not necessarily bring on responsibility; however, until such time as another more accurate way to measure such things is arrived at we are stuck with it.
|Jesus would drink like a fish |
|Josh, I agree with you and am very happy for you that you are a recently converted christian, congrats on that... That's really interesting about the drinking thing, I've never read Ephesians. Once you've gone through the high the Holy Spirit gives you, it's easy to understand how you could substitute wine for the Holy Spirit. But, that verse goes right into what I was saying, a few drinks is ok, just not the entire keg. |
I think the easiest way to avoid judging others is to read about Paul. He pretty much says, who cares what everyone else does, stop worrying about it and don't try to convert them to your beliefs unless they want to be. Jesus never went out of his way, saying, Hey, Come over here! or anything like that. He only talked to those that wanted to be talked to. So, if people wanna not go by our beliefs, let them, who cares?
Ok, I'm done, this thread it too big... Thanks for reading,