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By flyhigh (lyle) on Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 1:20 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
I tried this trick a few trips ago and got it. I am just not pleased with my pop. I sometimes get great pop and really gets me around, but most times I end up shorting it, and butt check it. Not to mention that it looks really ugly. Other than the first one, the rest were taken the first day I got it. So I know Im not holding the handle in on them. I think it is how I am hitting the wake. I think that maybe when I am shorting it, that I am keeping too hard of an edge through the wake, and missing my pop. Yesterday, I got to try it a time or two, and seemed as when I got more over my board at the wake, I was able to get a little more height and rotation. Check it out, and give me some input, thanks...

www.blackwaterrydas.com/video/heelfronts.zip

 
By flyhigh (lyle) on Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 1:26 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
I feel like I am having to work way to hard to make this trick happen, so I am pretty sure I am not getting the correct pop. The few times that I have, it has really booted me
 
By dj (dizzyj) on Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 1:41 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
how about hosting at vimo?
 
By flyhigh (lyle) on Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 1:43 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
The more I watch it, the more I am sure that I am leaving way too early..

Dj, Ill see if i can throw it up there

 
By Skubz (bflat53212) on Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 1:46 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Wow! How the hell are you getting around on this trick? I wouldn't think it would work the way the first few are thrown, but oh well.

Fist off keep in mind I've never even tried this trick, but feel I know enough about it to at least comment.

Go back to your approach on this trick. It needs to be progressive. You are coming screaming in and then flattening off about 10 feet before the wake and flat out hucking this trick. Now that you are comfortable with the rotation, go back and start a nice progressive edge. You want your edge to be it's greatest at the wake. This is why the ones you don't come screaming in on, you get more pop, because you are at least holding a constant edge. So if anything at least hold a constant edge to keep line tension. The line tension will help you get the pop you are looking for and also help you get around quicker and cleaner.

Next thing, glue that handle to your hips. Meaning keep the handle in close, think about rotating around the handle similar to a backroll, just the other direction of rotation. Don't let that handle get above your head.

You're already landing the trick, but I think if you follow these two words of advice, you will clean this trick up quite a bit. If you have access to a trampoline, it will help with muscle memory for handle placement to practice this trick. Good luck man and keep us posted. Nice work!

 
By flyhigh (lyle) on Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 1:50 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Skubz, thanks for the input man.. Ya I know, I can tell I am working WAY to hard to make this trick happen.. Guess I got all caught up in the balls to the wall approach, that I think I am having trouble getting my body in the right position at the wake..
 
By flyhigh (lyle) on Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 1:58 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Vimeo http://www.vimeo.com/4517790
 
By Eubanks (eubanks01) on Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 2:12 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
It looks like you're opening up your chest too much and throwing it more like a tantrum. I think the more progressive edge Skubz talked about will help because letting off your edge is make you square up too much.

The last one looked to be the best. Even though you still went flat before the wake your rotation was much more tip over tail like a front should be.

At least you're landing them so far!

 
By Eubanks (eubanks01) on Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 2:14 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Oh, and one other thing I noticed. Don't get your heels back to your butt. Just bring your front knee up to your chest and keep the board more underneath you.
Upload

 
By dj (dizzyj) on Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 3:19 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Thanks for putting it up there.

ya, totally a frantrum, a 2 handed tantrum.(not that I can do these, but I was watching the book last night ;) )

take a shorter progressive cut, and dont open your chest to the sky. throw the trick kinda towards the boat.

you will get it definitely. just needs some tweeking.

 
By flyhigh (lyle) on Thursday, May 07, 2009 - 7:19 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Thanks guys.. Man, sure didnt think I was doing the frant... I knew it was incorrect form, but really didnt think I was doing that. Guess Ill try to work on my edge, and waiting longer.. Not to mention trying to control my handle a little better. I think I have had a hard time controlling the handle because I am having to huck it so hard to get it around.
 
By Skubz (bflat53212) on Thursday, May 07, 2009 - 8:22 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
"I think I have had a hard time controlling the handle because I am having to huck it so hard to get it around."

Yeah, I agree with you there. If you keep the line tension, by not flattening off, it will help in this regard.

 
By Dan Kavanagh (dan_k) on Thursday, May 07, 2009 - 2:02 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
your not doing a frantrum your edging off a bit before you hit the wake then your hands go way above your head slowing down the rotation concentrate on edging the whole way through the wake while keeping your handle right in at your hip and if you feel your landing sideways push the handle down and towards your leading hip
 
By flyhigh (lyle) on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 7:10 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Thanks Dan, that makes me feel better.

I went out yesterday with a group of guys so I didnt get to ride but just a second. I did give it one shot though. I focused on cuttting through the wake, and think that part looks better, however, still need alot of work on my body and handle position. Ill post up a vid of it in a bit.

 
By flyhigh (lyle) on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 7:44 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Okay, here is the one I did from yesterday. I did better with my edge through the wake, still left a little early, but that part was better. Still work needs to be done on body and handle position. You will have to download this one from my site, I cant upload another to vimeo for a week.

http://www.blackwaterrydas.com/heelfront2.mov

Right Click save target as

 
By Eubanks (eubanks01) on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 1:27 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Hey, I still think you're flattening out a lot. Do you have video of a load and release trick or just a HS progressive edge video? Your handle could definitley be lower to your hips, but I think getting your edge right can make this thing much easier for you.
 
By flyhigh (lyle) on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 1:41 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Eubanks, I think you may be right, but I also have about decided that I am just leaving too early. Im pretty sure that you have to initiate this trick extremely late, like leaving the wake. And if that is the case, then I am definitely not doing that.
I dont have any video of a prog edge through the wake on this machine. Heres a link to our recent vid, Im the second rider, if you can get anything from it. http://vimeo.com/4201807

 
By Steve McKim (mbsteez) on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 2:10 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
are there any tricks you should initiate before leaving the wake???
 
By flyhigh (lyle) on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 10:20 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Steve, most trip tricks, fr, sc, tant, etc. Are initiated at the very top of the wake.. This one seems almost to be initiated right after leaving the wake

(Message edited by Lyle on May 09, 2009)

 
By flyhigh (lyle) on Monday, May 11, 2009 - 8:09 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
I got the second one on vimeo now as well. .. http://vimeo.com/4592031
 
By Skubz (bflat53212) on Monday, May 11, 2009 - 8:43 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Interesting flyghigh, you said:

"most trip tricks, fr, sc, tant, etc. Are initiated at the very top of the wake.. This one seems almost to be initiated right after leaving the wake"

This is not a trip trick. Maybe that understanding will help. This is a progressive edge trick.

 
By flyhigh (lyle) on Monday, May 11, 2009 - 9:15 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Thanks Skubz, but I know the difference. My response was to "are there anytricks you should initiate before leaving the wake??"
 
By Skubz (bflat53212) on Monday, May 11, 2009 - 10:53 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
ahhh...sorry about that.
 
By Eubanks (eubanks01) on Monday, May 11, 2009 - 11:17 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Nice riding in that video! I remember seeing that posted a few weeks back.

I still think you could have a bit more of a progessive edge, but you said it right in that it looks like you're throwing it early.

Maybe you can really focus on getting your right knee up off the wake BEFORE you throw your right shoulder down towards the water. Maybe that will help you wait a bit to throw it.

Anyway, it is looking good and it seems like you're close to cleaning it up.

 
By Dan Kavanagh (dan_k) on Monday, May 11, 2009 - 11:23 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
thats better edge, now you need to push off your front foot and really concentrate on keeping the handle at your hip its still going way high but getting better
 
By flyhigh (lyle) on Monday, May 11, 2009 - 11:53 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Thanks guys, One thing I really see in that last vid is how far I am leaning over my front foot when I hitting the wake.

Eubanks, Thanks Bra, and Thats a good tip on getting my knee up before throwing my shoulder. Ill try that next time out. Hopefully if the weather permits, tomorrow.

Dan, I agree man, I think that whenever I start feeling the full pop I wont have to try to huck it so hard, therefore helping me keep the handle in. Gonna work on it tomorrow. Thanks man

 

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