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By DBC (ixfe) on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 11:25 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Our primary tow rig is a 1/2 ton Suburban LTZ. It's also my wife's daily driver (kid hauler).

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The problem is that every time I need to take the boat w/out the family (dealer run, guys' trip to river, etc.) I have to take away her car. My car isn't big enough to tow the boat or serve as kid hauler. So she gets stranded... and ticked!

I like our white suburban so much that I'm considering something like this for me. This will allow me the flexibility to tow the boat without disrupting my wife's life.

On the other hand... putting three very thirsty V8's into one garage seems pretty excessive, even if they DO match! I'm pretty sure you can be arrested in Oregon for that sort of carbon footprint.

Thoughts...?

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By John Bauer (jonyb) on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 11:35 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
I've had several lifted trucks. 3/4 ton, 1/2 ton, newer, older, etc....

My last truck was an 08 GMC Sierra 1500. Lifting it ruined the pulling, and it sucked to start with. My Supra is about 6,000# loaded and the 1/2 ton's are way underpowered IMO. Even if you regear the truck to 4.10 or 4.56 it will be a little better, but fuel economy goes way down.

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If you're gonna spend that much on a truck (the above truck would be around $30K), you'd be better off with an 06-07 2500HD Duramax. That truck has the 6.6L LBZ engine and that's plenty of power. Even with 20x10's and 33's on mine, it towed perfectly.

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By DBC (ixfe) on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 11:50 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
I hear you, John. Our Sub is not quite the tow rig I thought it would be when we bought it. It's a great family vehicle, but it struggles on long, uphill pulls like when we go to Shasta.

I have considered 3/4 ton diesel, but they don't make them with the short 5.5' box. It has to be 6.5' and that rig won't fit in my garage anymore. I'm weird about stuff fitting in my garage. On the other hand, the diesel could become our primary tow rig if I got the front bench seat (we have four kids).

Also, the Duramax will add almost $10k.

Finally, my commute is 40 miles round trip (country roads). If driving the 1/2 ton alone seems excessive, the 3/4 ton commuter to work feels down right silly.

What about if I hold out for a 6.0L in the 1/2 ton? Wouldn't that help?

Those trucks just look so hawt. I think I might be trying to talk myself into a bad idea.

 
By ctimrun (ctimrun) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 1:33 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Don't be talked into something that doesn't fit your needs. The 6 liter gas engine will pull your boat great and you can get it in a configuration that will still fit in your garage. I recently switched from an 08 dodge diesel truck to a 3/4 ton suburban (with the 6 liter) and the suburban does great pulling the boat, even when loaded full of adults. I might not be able to tow 85 mph uphill but I never did that with the diesel anyways. Plus most of the claims (if not all in the newer diesels) of great mileage empty and towing are pipe dreams. The best I saw while towing was about 9 and empty was 13, all hand calculated, and I drove the thing like there was an egg between my foot and the gas pedal.

IMO it is not a good idea to have a tow vehicle lifted, especially if you are going to choose a half ton. If you do want to sacrifice your garage requirement and step up to a 3/4 ton then a lift will have less affect on your towing performance.

(Message edited by ctimrun on January 06, 2010)

 
By John Bauer (jonyb) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 2:01 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
The 6.0L gas burner is the worst decision of all.... I've had one of those. 12mpg unloaded, 7 loaded. That's on flat ground.

DBC, the Duramax like it sits up there fits in a normal garage. It's tight, but works. It's not much longer than a Suburban, if any at all. Yes, add $10K for a new one, I recommended an 06-07, which would be $10K less then the white truck you posted in the pic. New Duramax's are around $34K if you catch the deals just right, or find a new holdover.

 
By pete c (saceone) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 4:17 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
some beautiful machines in here!!!
 
By wakeboardSTL (jmuthafnp) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 6:08 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Buy a new Tundra with the 5.7, I prefer the double cab, but you can get the crewmax, lift it and call it good. It costs to be the boss buddy. This is a 3/4 ton capable truck in a 1/2 ton package. Do that with your GM, Ford or Dodge.

Not mine, but you get the idea.
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By patrick castro (patrick232) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 6:13 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Look around and get the 1/2 Crew Cab with the 6.2 liter. That's what I bought this past October and turned the 06 Duramax into the company truck vs the Salesmans car.
I have been getting about 15.5 miles per gallon, but I know the remote start is hurting it some. Only towed the box trailer once I would say 100% improvement over towing it with our 2007 Suburban, and almost = to the Duramax with 130K on the clock.

One last thing a truck that is a mid 6 sec 0-60 mph is fun to drive.

Per the 2010 it's got 403 HP and 417 lb-ft torque thats 88 more hp and 79 more lb-ft torque then the Suburban with the 5.3 liter

(Message edited by patrick232 on January 06, 2010)

 
By Harold Hemming (h20king) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 6:16 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
i tow with an o8 gmc half ton and have no problems plenty of power it's not lifted but does have 24's we only tow at around 65 the hills on i-5 to shasta are no problem my centurion is 4000 dry plus the trailer.i to went with the half ton crew so it would fit in the garage.plus im not a fan of all the rocks a lifted truck will throw at your boat
 
By Jarod Criag (wake26) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 7:26 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
I'm with johnyb if you tow your boat on a regular basis you can't go wrong with a diesel I have pulled my boat with half ton chevy's, Dodge and ford's and yes they will pull it but you have to have your foot in it all the time even worse if you hit a hill. Why buy a truck with a monster V8 and get 8mpg when you can get a diesel that will get 15mph. I have a 99 dodge with the cummins I get 17-18 in town and 15 when towing my boat.
 
By Cody (loudontn) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 7:37 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
God I love the new Tundra's, that looks SICK!!
 
By Nacho (denverd1) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 7:44 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
yep. I pass by the Toyota dealership 2x a day. There's a black lifted crew cab out there that's been calling my name this week. I don't want a truck payment so, I've been trying to look the other way. But, its getting harder and harder to do. Great looking trucks.
 
By C.I.E.....Evan (guido) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 10:48 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
That new Tundra looks extra sick.

Don't think that a 3/4 ton will be overkill. They are, but they also get much better mileage loaded and unloaded than a 1/2 ton gasser. The 6.0 tows great, but they'll cost you a ton on a long trip, particularly, over the passes. If you can get over the size a 3/4 ton diesel is quite a nice daily ride. The new 5.3's are lame. My brother has one and struggles up the passes with his 16' Donzi. My diesel will tow circles around that truck even with 8k worth of X-star and lead in tow.

I'd like to have a closer look at the Tundra. They'd be high on my list if I were looking for a smaller truck.

That said... the new 6.0 GMC is sooo sweet looking.

 
By Bu Coo (brett564) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 10:54 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
IXFE and H20KING,

Why does having the truck lifted change towing performance? Is this a aerodynamic thing, that would change all around performance?

 
By Scott (chilidog) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 11:16 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Bu Coo, the lift won't matter other than on bumps you have more leverage from the hitch thru the frame to the suspension, so you may bounce a little more and have slightly more sway than stock. The change is when you increase tire size w/o changing the rearend gear ratio. If you have 37s or less and all you are towing is a wakeboat with a diesel you prob wouldn't notice too much difference due to the diesel's torque, but with a gas engine throw on big tires and you have robbed the rig of its gear ratio from the factory, thus making it like riding a bike up a hill with your big gear up front instead of your small gear up front. Its all about regearing big trucks so it doesn't wait to shift at 20mph out of first gear when stock it shifted at 10mph. Get it??

I had 36s on a truck and regeared it from 3.50 to 4.56 and it made it seem like it had 200 more horsepower, but probably just put it back to the stock final ratio between tire speed and engine rpm.

 
By Bill K (bill_airjunky) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 11:17 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
It's not the lift Bu Coo, it's the diameter of the tires that ultimately changes the truck's final drive ratio. You can correct it by changing the gears in the axles but people rarely do.
 
By "G" (grant_west) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 11:30 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Question: For people that have had a non lifted truck and towed with it and then added a lift kit and towed. Does lifting a truck?

A. Make it better for towing?
B. Make it worse for towing?
C. Has no effect either way?

 
By C.I.E.....Evan (guido) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 12:25 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Grant, it made my Tahoe a total slug. Just going to 33" tires from the stock 31's. I'll never lift a tow vehicle again. Maybe I'm just getting old, but for all the stuff I like to do lifting a truck is a performance robber. The only thing I'd ever lift is a true off road vehicle.

-Worse gas mileage, worse towing, harder to load/unload.

 
By Brad D. Chesley (bchesley) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 1:00 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
A. and B. actually.

I have had two seperate trucks in the past 5 years. One is a 02 half ton Dodge and the other a 04 three quarter ton Dodge. I improved my ride on my 04 Dodge when I lifted it. I had a little softer progressive spring and much better Bilstein shocks. However, there was some power loss with a larger tire. Its a diesel so I added a box to make up the difference.

The half ton I also got a smother ride from the lift, but the power loss was pretty bad. I ended up swapping out the gears to try and get some power back but ended up selling it to buy the diesel.

After having said all that I took the lift off of the 04 diesel and will not lift it again to tow with. Its fun and looks great, but not fun to tow and drive 3000 miles a month in.

 
By DBC (ixfe) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 1:29 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Okay... lots of good feedback here, but my favorite part is the pics! Great truck porn!

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A few things to keep in mind...

1) This would be my 2nd tow vehicle. Primary usage would be around town. Guys' trip to local ramp 10 mins away. Service visits to dealer 30 minutes away. Is 3/4 ton diesel really necessary for this??

2) This will be my daily driver. That's why the lift is important. I'm the sort of person that likes to drive a "eye catching" cars. You will never catch me in a beige Accord. Stock trucks are like beige Accords to me... very boring.

3) I really want it to fit in my garage. The Suburban fits nicely with room to spare, but it's only 222" long. The 1/2 ton crew w/ 5.5' box is 230" long (will fit, but getting tight). The 3/4 ton crew w/ 6.5' box is 240" long which won't fit. Because of the longer bed on the 3/4 ton, I'd have to give up the crew cab and go with supercab. That truck is back down to 230".

4) Provided I could get it into the garage (i.e. supercab not crewcab), the 3/4 ton diesel idea is intriguing. That truck would be a better daily driver (better mpg's, right?) and it could also server as our long distance tow rig (two bench seats = six seat belts) for the annual trips to Shasta, Prineville, Billy Chinook, etc.

5) The new and used truck market is NOT buyer friendly right now. GM stopped production for much of the year. Most local dealers have very little inventory. And the used prices are sky high as a result. KBB values do not reflect what I'm seeing in the market. That white Sierra I posted above actually has KBB trade-in value of $14K (not incl. lift setup). Even if you add the mods, I don't see how it's listed for $28K. But it is!

 
By John Bauer (jonyb) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 1:58 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Some poor sap probably paid $35K for that truck, then modified it. That's how much money these trucks lose just from driving off the lot.
 
By Bill K (bill_airjunky) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 3:27 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
I've lifted a truck & it didn't effect the towing at all..... till we changed the tires out.

And I've upgraded the tires on another truck from a 30" to a 33" without lifting the truck at all..... & it robbed all the torque to the point that it towed terribly.

It's not the lift, it's the tire size that kills it.

 
By David (detonate69) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 4:01 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
I have a stock 08 silverado ext. cab. Has the 5.3l and tows like a beast. I towed a 26' travel trailer over to pismo over the hills and through the sand like it was nothing about 6500lbs. Truck just is awesome for towing imo. Sure not as much power as a diesel but I paid less and still get 20+mpg on the freeway when not towing.
 
By John Bauer (jonyb) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 8:02 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
An 08 5.3 is a beast? Did you grow up driving S-10's?

Before I lifted my 08, with the 5.3L, it was possibly the worst truck I'd ever towed with.

When I took my boat/trailer back to Boatmate in Maryville, I drove 6.5 hours and absolutely hated it. On every little incline, the truck lost at least 15mph. The instant mpg on the DIC would show 2 mpg going up the hill, and I was being conservative, trying to maintain an average of 65mph. At one point (and I had a pic that I cant find) as I was going up a hill, the tachometer was showing almost 5000rpm, DIC said 1 mpg, and at 45mph I was losing speed. That's not the work of a beast. They've put so much crap on these trucks for the treehuggers that they have barely enough torque to pull a single-axle 4-wheeler trailer.

My Duramax got 21 in the city, a little more on the highway, but never got less than 14-15 loaded down towing. After changing the shocks to Bilstiens it drove just like a 1/2 ton, but better. The suspension on those trucks were all the same with torsion bars. The newer trucks from 07.5+ dont have TB, but a macpherson strut, which does ride a little better, and doesn't have the dreaded steering clunk like the 99-06's did.

 
By Twitch (themxercr85) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 8:32 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
We have an 07 burb ltz as well with the 6.1. It's definitely not what its hyped up to be when it comes to towing. Towing 6 dirtbikes on a seadoo trailer from Seattle to Bend or. wasn't as easy as I would've thought. It really struggles on long hills. So while we were down there we got ourselves a new tow rig.


2005 Excursion v8 diesel. Since these pics we have replaced the heads and fogs with 12k HIDs, replaced the toyos with Mickey T's, replaced all the speakers, 8in screen in the dash and 2 10in subs in the barn doors. It tows like a dream. No performance mods, its bone stock. Sorta a dream come true for me, I'm in love with it!




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By Adam R (wakecumberland) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 8:37 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Nice Lotus!
 
By David (detonate69) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 9:01 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
LOL of course you like towing better with a diesel. You can't compare the two. But something was wrong with your 5.3 I have absolutely no problems towing whether it's a boat or whatever. Obviously within it's limits, it's a gasser. but for towing what it was built for it works awesome.

If you want a truck thats gonna tow a boat like nothing is back there. Well get a diesel. No gasser will do that because with most boats your using like 75% of the towing capability with a gas rig. With a diesel your using like 30% of the towing capacity. Hence it tows easier.

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By DBC (ixfe) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 9:32 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
How about this one...?

It's a 2005 Ford F-250 6.0L Powerstroke with supercab and short bed (should fit in garage). It's white! It's lifted! But it has 78K miles (ouch!) and costs $26K (double ouch!).

I kind of wish it was an '07 (new body style) Chevy or GMC Duramax in same color and configuration.



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http://www.auburnsautopointe.com/inventoryDisplay.aspx?s=used-cars_detail&year=2005&make=Ford&model=F-250%20Lifted%204x4&inv=592&vin=1FTSX21PX5EA35697&total=17&pos=2&current=1&size=12

 
By DBC (ixfe) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 9:40 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Twitch - was your LTZ Suburban your wife's daily driver? If so, how in the world did you convince your wife to give up this dash...


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for this dash...

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I would be afraid to even suggest it!

 
By Cal (phenom_1819) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 10:06 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
David, twitch's family has toys. :-). Really think you should consider a tundra... Fits all your needs perfectly.
 
By lifetimewarranty (lifetimewarranty) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 10:12 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
LOL cal

I think he likes GM's better. Perhaps we could start a Tundra thread?Upload

 
By Cal (phenom_1819) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 10:21 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Hahaha...!
 
By Twitch (themxercr85) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 10:24 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Adam- Thanx Its a blast!

DBC- hahahahahaha I'm 18 man but we still have our burb. I agree though, the interior is soooo sick. We got rid of the cheezy wood and put in brushed aluminum and it looks prettyy clean. As far as the wife thing goes me and my dad converse about whether the "boss" would like this or that all the time. She actually secretly likes the hoss. I catch her driving it instead of her rover sometimes.

 
By lifetimewarranty (lifetimewarranty) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 10:24 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Here's my contribution to the "porn"



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For the diesel guys...

The f650 can have the 7.2 liter Cat with 860LB-ft of torque!

No more lagging up hills with those weak 650 lb ft cummings, powerstrokes or duramax's...

 
By Bill K (bill_airjunky) on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 11:43 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
More porn....
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By Mikeski (mikeski) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 12:21 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
I never understood why guys feel so vertically challenged that they lift their vehicles??? Nothing funnier than seeing a 5'4" muscled up guy hop out of a 7' tall truck. Obviously there are exceptions but this seems to be the norm.

Most lifts destroy the geometry of the suspension and ruins the handling, assuming you are not going to extremes and completely modifying the suspension angles to work correctly at the different pivot points.

I just puzzled why this is modification is still so popular. I would have thought it's popularity would have faded as the low-rider fad has.

To answer Grant's question, the lift destroys the handling. The bigger diameter tires destroys the acceleration AND BRAKING.

I will never lift a truck over stock specifications. My 99 Silverado Z71 with a 5.3L tows well enough to keep me content and gets 15+MPG on the highway at 75MPH. My 03 Tahoe 5.3L doesn't tow quite as strong as the truck but it has slightly taller gears. I demand good handling and braking out of my trucks. If you can learn to be happy pulling hills at 50mph in second gear at 4000RPM you will have no troubles with a stock diameter tire 5.3L vehicle.

David/Detonate, there is a very significant difference between towing a low freeboard 20' direct drive boat versus a tall heavy 22' wakeboard boat, typically 1500lbs difference. My trucks tow my ski boat like nothing, the wakeboard boat is a different ballgame.

 
By DBC (ixfe) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 1:09 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
What's the story on the Tundra? It's a 1/2 ton truck, right? Why would it tow any better than a 1/2 ton GM?
 
By John Bauer (jonyb) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 2:24 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
DBC, that Ford would be great for towing, but make sure you drive it at least for 75 miles before committing to a purchase. Those trucks don't ride quite as well as what you're accustomerd to.

Yes, the Tundra is a 1/2 ton truck. I don't know what all the hype over it is about....

 
By Bu Coo (brett564) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 3:43 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
"Chilidog"... Awesome explanation, and now this thread makes sense!
 
By Cal (phenom_1819) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 4:58 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Discussion just a couple months back...
http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/743693.html

 
By Brad D. Chesley (bchesley) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 5:31 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Mikeski,

I lift my trucks because I am still that little kid inside that plays with bigfoot the monster truck. I never go crazy with the daily driver though. It always doubles as a tow vehicle so I keep that in mind. But other toys get big lifts. Its just fun. I know its not for everybody, but it is for me. My 7 year old thinks its a blast too.

I think that you just have to remember that as soon as you take some thing out of a stock configuration its a never ending battle to fight the offsets in performance. Big tires need more power etc.

 
By chris (rio_sanger) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 7:07 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
This may sound like a strange suggestion DBC, but how about a Tahoe?

For years we had both, and the combination was great! You can pick and choose which one you need for what application.

My wife preferred the Tahoe for her daily driver/kid hauler for ease of parking and just drive-ability, and I have always owned 3/4 ton Subs/trucks as my daily work truck.

On short trips to local lakes the Tahoe would do fine, for the long haul trips up grades with more gear we would take the Sub. Occasionally, if we had more peeps and something else to tow along, we would take both!
...Best of both worlds.

 
By Isaac Gredinberg (extremeisaac) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 10:54 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Ram 1500 with 37s tows like a champ, both the boat and the 23 foot toy hauler..

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By Patrick (jetskiprosx) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 1:01 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Went back and forth on which truck to buy the last 6 months. Looked at diesels, 3/4 tons, 1/2 tons, etc...Read lots of reviews, did lots of test drives.

I choose a 2010 Tundra DC with the 5.7 engine and 6spd transmission. It's got a 4.30 rear end 400ft/lbs. of torque with a tow rating of 10,300lbs.

 
By DBC (ixfe) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 1:25 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
^^^ impressive stats on that truck, Patrick.

But the real question is: How will it tow 6,000 lbs. of boat & trailer up Siskyou pass with 500 lbs. of people in the cab and another 500 lbs. of camping gear in the bed?

If the answer is... truck slows down to 45mph at 4000+ rpm and tranny fuid spikes to 230 degress, then I'm not interested. I already have one of those. It's the first rig pictured in this thread.

 
By JJ W. (bigjokerinthebox66) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 3:28 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Thats a good point DBC stats mean nothing under circumstances like those. I have a CM Tundra thats lifted 6" w/37s and it tows just fine, but going up hills in the Sierras is another story. Its a turd. Don't get me wrong its nowhere near as bad as my old GMC 5.3, which was also lifted. BTY, that black tundra is a 6" suspension & 3" body. If you need to know anything about the tundra, head over to www.tundrasolutions.com those guys are helpful. pic of mine taken with phoneUpload
 
By Patrick (jetskiprosx) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 3:37 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Can't tell ya. I've yet to hook the boat up to it, but I am dying too. If I get a weekend with nice weather I will hook up the boat and put the truck through it's paces.


http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2008/11/hill-climb-load.html

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2008/11/quarter-mile--1.html

Our previous tow rig was a 2001 Tahoe with the 5.3 engine and it fits your description almost exactly (minus to the transmission temp)

 
By Patrick (jetskiprosx) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 3:38 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
JJW did you tow with it before the lift and tires?
 
By DBC (ixfe) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 4:26 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
JJW - Your truck is SICK! My boat would look sweet behind that thing. What are your lift specs? Where you able to fit 37's under there with just 6" suspension lift? Have you regeared? What is your axle ratio?

Patrick - You probably had trans fluid temp issues on the '01 Tahoe, you just didn't know it. They didn't add a gauge for this until 2007.

 
By John Bauer (jonyb) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 4:40 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
A few of my old trucks


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By chris (rio_sanger) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 5:31 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
"Patrick - You probably had trans fluid temp issues on the '01 Tahoe, you just didn't know it. They didn't add a gauge for this until 2007."

I have a trans temp gauge on my '01 Sub.
...maybe they were only on 3/4 tons, or came with trailer towing packages, or both?

 
By Twitch (themxercr85) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 5:31 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
John, you always have the sickest trucks man, by far. In particular your F350 and that first GMC you posted. You've got some cool toys man.
 
By lifetimewarranty (lifetimewarranty) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 9:49 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Gotta agree with Twitch...

And, John that new profile pic is awesome.

 
By JJ W. (bigjokerinthebox66) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 10:10 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Patrick, I didn't get a chance to tow a boat behind it before it was lifted, but I towed a utility w/2k lbs and it towed it almost like it wasn't there. almost

DBC, yes your boat would look good behind it. Yeah, it's just a 6" susp. w/Nitto 37s and XD 20s. Had to trim some of the fender walls to prevent rub, but it still has a minor rub at full crank when in reverse. Would also recommend torsion bars because I had an issue that is similar to axle wrap on a diesel. Hasn't been regeared and probably wont. I drive it in sequential shift mode. axle ratio is 4.3 comes w/tow package. Truck has became invaluable as far as boat trips are concerned. cab room is insane and the sliding rear window prevents screaming and potential arguments while on the launch

 
By Rob Pitchford (rob_pitchford) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 10:32 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
07 Tundra lifted 3" with a Camburg Racing Coil over and 305 55 20 Nitto Terra Grapplers. Cant say i notice any performance loss but i did add Doug Thorley Headers, Magnaflow Exaust and a cold air intake. She is a little thursty towing 11mpg but its a gasser. Pretty happy with the Tundra and it will fit in the garage!Upload
 
By Rob Pitchford (rob_pitchford) on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 10:41 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
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By John Bauer (jonyb) on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 3:34 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Thanks guys! To whomever pm'd me about the Furd: 8" Superlift, 20X12 Weld's, 38X15.50 Toyo's. That truck was definitely a beast, but the lift and tires killed the driveability. Leaf spring's up front so once it was lifted it really rode harsh.
 
By UncleJessie (unclejessie) on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 10:36 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
I like the way a 4 inch lifted trucks looks and rides far better than a stock 1/2 ton. IMO, stock 1/2 tons look weak... I hate the butt end high and nose low and the tires don't look like they could evan get you through the snow. I also think my truck corners far better with the lift. It is not as smooth, but the nose doesn't pitch while you corner on winding roodes.

I went from 17 mpg HWY to 12 on my 2008 GMC 1/2 Ton when I lifted it and added tires.

-Uj

 
By trace (trace) on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 12:55 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Camburg does not build your typical "lift kits" a la Rancho, Superlift, etc. Whole different ballgame, but the street performace will still suffer.
 
By Patrick (jetskiprosx) on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 3:39 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
For Lifetimewarranty (and yeah I know the trailer 'legs' are down) :-)

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By Bill K (bill_airjunky) on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 4:50 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
More truck porn......
 
By lifetimewarranty (lifetimewarranty) on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 5:10 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
LOL! Thanks patrick.

I read they modded that one a bunch for that setup.

I'm not a fan of that orange one, but they make a slick looking rig! They would be brilliant to beat the Domestics with a light duty diesel (and not try to compete with the bigger ones though). To me that would satisfy a lot of buyers.


Of course, the Suburban with the 4.5 liter Duramax would be my first pic.

 
By Matt (flyspec14) on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 5:17 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Well if were goin there:

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/05/video-articulate-this-chainlink-4x4-is-frighteningly-awesome/#continued

 
By B (fullspeed) on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 5:52 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Check out this truck I found on CL today.

I think it looks pretty sick.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/1542566597.html
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By John Bauer (jonyb) on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 6:19 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
The semi conversions are sick has h3ck! BUT, they ride like concrete trucks, from what I've heard.
 
By Rob Pitchford (rob_pitchford) on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 7:32 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Trace

This is the set-up I am running. To be honest I would say the truck rides amazing on the street and better than stock - very smooth ride. I run these with the Camburg upper A-Arms for 3 " of increased wheel travel, 3" lift and 3" droop. Pretty amazing set-up.
http://www.camburg.com/?p=430
http://www.camburg.com/?page_id=163

 
By Jim Zarin (jimmy_z) on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 7:57 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
One ton Toyota. 2007 SEMA.

Would be nice if they did these as a production vehicle.

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By Twitch (themxercr85) on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 10:47 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Matt- Isn't that nuts! I saw that yesterday for the first time and I was blowwwnnn away. "Hows that for articulation!?" hahaha
 
By Hate N Pain (hatepain) on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 11:01 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
LOL my buddy just got done showing me that Chain link 4x4 extreme on Youtube.

I am in love with that dually on CL its my perfect tow rig!

 
By Ben (soundbox) on Tuesday, January 12, 2010 - 9:51 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
I believe the CL Dually is a different truck (painted grill shell, larger alcoas and amber running lights) than the one I'm thinking. If its the same truck in this picture I can vouch for it. The previous owner has a reputation of having some very nice toys and taking very good care of them. This is picture from a show a few years ago. Ferrari 360 in the trailer... Upload
 
By Brett Treiber (pc_sledge) on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 5:44 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Larger rims look kind of cool but on a vehicle that tows, like the one ton dually above just does not make sense to me. Why would you spend all the money to get a capable tow rig and then put skinny low profile tires on it?
 
By DBC (ixfe) on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 11:07 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
How about this truck? 6.2L and AWD. Might look nice lifted with 35's??

http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/ctd/1562149933.html

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By Patrick (jetskiprosx) on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 1:11 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
The 6.2 should get the job done!
 
By rugdr (rugdr) on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 7:24 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
I am not sure but I think the Denali trucks have the same all wheel drive drivetrain as the Escalade. Might want to see how much it would take to lift it before you go to far and even if there is a lift available. Just trying to help you think ahead.
 
By John Bauer (jonyb) on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 8:15 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Dont' think you're gonna find anything right now to lift a Denali, unless you go big. FTS makes a 10" kit...

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I think there were a lot of driveline problems on the AWD trucks when they were lifted.

 
By lifetimewarranty (lifetimewarranty) on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 8:41 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Dang, John, that is cool - not that I need that kind of crazyness...
 
By John Bauer (jonyb) on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 11:15 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
That's how they do it in Brofornia.
 
By Bret Rogers (bmr82) on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 6:50 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Lift it, fat girls can't jump.
 
By DBC (ixfe) on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 1:47 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Proof that you can put a 6" suspension lift on a Sierra Denali. I prefer the white one.

Both owners report zero issues...

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By John Bauer (jonyb) on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 3:00 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
I never said you couldn't, just thought that someone had mentioned driveline problems before.

What's the pricetag on that truck anyway? Doesn't it MSRP for around $60K? Pretty ridiculous if you ask me, after all, it's just a truck.

 
By DBC (ixfe) on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 10:49 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
All trucks have gotten pretty expensive. I'm NOT considering a new truck.

You can pick up '07 or '08 Sierra Denali in the mid to low $30's.

 
By John Bauer (jonyb) on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 12:30 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
That's a little better... I co-worker of mine was looking at a new Denali truck and it seemed like he could've got it for around $45K. For the money, and even for what you stated a used one would go for, I'd be in the diesel truck market. Better tow rig, and almost as good daily driver.
 
By DBC (ixfe) on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 1:23 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
John, do you drive a diesel as a daily driver?

I'm struggling with this. I'd love a diesel for the towing prowess, but I just worry that I'll hate driving something so big every day.

Check out this one I'm looking at... for sale locally:

I just wish it had a bench seat in front so I could get the entire family (6) into it.

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1564775550.html

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By chris (rio_sanger) on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 2:21 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
"but I just worry that I'll hate driving something so big every day."

^^Good looking truck DBC, the diesel is not any bigger than the Denali, (assuming same size bed)

I have at least a half dozen friends that drive diesels as daily drivers. Gas or diesel, they're all big trucks.

 
By 02RedWS6TA (02redws6ta) on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 3:34 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
Driving a 1/2 ton Denali and 3/4 ton diesel are two different animals. Specially a lifted 3/4 ton diesel.

My lifted 3/4 ton diesel rides like a train, I put up with it because I love it though. It sucks to park, ride in, drive in traffic, and do pretty much anything other than tow.

My g/f's 2009 1/2 ton GMC with a Rough Country 3" lift is 100% better for anything but towing.

 
By fletch (cwfletch) on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 4:15 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
The little woman drives the 09 F250 and I cruise the Yaris (how does that work again?). Daily driving is the same in a diesel as a gas truck.
First lifted truck was a 04 5.3l 1500 9" lift, 37s and 4.56, did GREAT around town, SUXED on gas and the highway (empty).
Second lifted truck 02 7.3l F250 8" lift, 40s and 4.56, much BETTER all around, 16 mpg @ 75 hwy, plenty of power and would tow.
Current is the 09 6.4l F250 0" lift, after two trucks it is really pointless unless you absolutely need to throw thousands of bucks away to impress someone else.
With that being said if I ever decided to impress someone else again I would ONLY lift a diesel.
It's not the lift that kills your performance and braking; it is tire weight (inertial mass). Those 35, 37, 40s weigh significantly more than stock and consume a large amount of HP/TRQ.
As a Ford guy I would choose a 7.3 over a 6.0 any day, maybe a 2007 but even then I would bump the VIN through a Ford dealer for warranty repair. I didn't mention 6.4 bc your price range.

 
By John Bauer (jonyb) on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 5:05 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post
DBC, I've had many trucks, all daily drivers, and the favorite of all of them was an 06 Chevy crew cab LBZ Duramax. It's no longer than a normal crew cab truck, just that the body is 2" higher off the frame than the 1/2 ton. With a few small mods they'll get better fuel economy than the 1/2 ton on daily stuff, but the most important is that when you're towing, you'll get as good or better than the fuel economy compared a 1/2 ton with city driving.

If I had a truck that was a daily driver right now, you can bet your buttocks it would be a diesel. Even though I could afford a newer one, I'd prefer the 06-07 with LBZ and 6-speed Allison. I just like those trucks a lot better. My wife has a Denali and I see no reason to have 2 trucks, so my daily now is an 04 Caddy CTS-V....

 
By patrick castro (patrick232) on Monday, January 25, 2010 - 7:03 am:    Edit Post Delete Post
Currently with my 2009 Chevy Crew Cab LTZ with the 6.2 Liter I have been getting 14.5 around town and 16 on the highway.
I have yet to tow with it, but did load the bed up.

We have plant in Columbus,OH and Cookeville,TN on my return trip 2 weeks ago we had to shift some tooling and plastic from the TN plant to OH. I had about 1,100 pounds of plastic and 2 aluminum / steel molds around 200 pounds each. Yes the bed dropped more than the 3/4 ton would have, but the power from the truck while in tow mode was on equal to the duramax during the trip I averaged 15.6 mpg. For those who visit Dale Hollow or Lake Cumberland I take a back way from Cookeville to Lexington, it's hilly and mostly 2 lanes but saves about 60 miles. It's rt 111 to rt 127 over the Cumberland Dam.

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